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Post by Lux on Mar 13, 2008 17:45:50 GMT 12
of winning the Presidency?
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Post by hps on Mar 13, 2008 20:11:02 GMT 12
Yep
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Post by bottlecar on Mar 13, 2008 21:11:05 GMT 12
I think the democrats have more chance of getting their man or woman in if Hillary Clinton gets the nod. I don't think when it comes to it that the American people will vote in a black ex-muslim - I'm not sure of his religon because it doesn't bother me but I bet it will others.
I HOPE they prove me wrong.
I'm ok with Hillary getting it, at least it's not a Bush.
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Post by maire on Mar 14, 2008 7:12:23 GMT 12
Imo America is far too conservative to vote in either Obama or Hillary.
I think the other contender (forgotten his name) will come out from behind the media frenzy and win.
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Post by maire on Mar 14, 2008 7:14:40 GMT 12
Personally, I wouldn't mind either of them winning ...... and as bottlecar said, at least it's not a Bush.
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Post by misilon on Mar 14, 2008 8:16:35 GMT 12
I dont think it makes much difference whichever one gets in,..the masess soon start showing thier discontent eventually and start screaming for blood,....happens everytime.
I would hate to be in thier shoes with world mentality being as it is today,...the getting in is only the begining,
The hidden threat is in the fact,.. and we have all seen it ,..repeatedly,,.... that, only with a new boss, do you realize the value of the old. ( was there one or several ),..
Who can guarantee that what was bad will not be replaced by something even worse?
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Post by kokonutwoman on Mar 14, 2008 11:18:47 GMT 12
Hmm on one hand a woman on the other a black man
I know who'll get shoot.
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Post by lolly on Mar 14, 2008 15:36:18 GMT 12
I hope Obama wins......i think he would being new ideas to the white house....Hilary will just comein with the same old same old..I have listened to some of obamas speeches.....he is a good man it seems
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Post by lolly on Mar 14, 2008 15:50:57 GMT 12
Not to mention he is great eye candy...
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Post by toerag on Mar 14, 2008 21:21:36 GMT 12
Yip it doesn't matter who gets in it gonna be a hard yakker. Americans don't like change just look through their history, oh sorry with the exception of that really really bad actor, mind you he survived.
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Post by Lux on Mar 15, 2008 16:52:05 GMT 12
Well with America in full recession I wouldn't be surprised if they do vote in Obama or Hillary because Americans will need someone to take their frustrations out on. If Obama does get in and ends that stupid war, Americans will be better off financially. The war bill must be bloody phenomenal, not to mention the loss of lives.
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Post by kokonutwoman on Mar 17, 2008 6:43:27 GMT 12
Agree Lux
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Post by hps on Mar 17, 2008 12:21:08 GMT 12
Any publicity is good publicity so if they're getting the same or more media coverage over there as we are here it must help which ever of the two wins the candidacy.
It's sad that a true lefty can't even look at becoming President there. You need big money to do it.
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Post by bottlecar on Mar 17, 2008 13:12:47 GMT 12
Ain't that the truth!
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Post by sparrow on Mar 17, 2008 19:19:21 GMT 12
Well with America in full recession I wouldn't be surprised if they do vote in Obama or Hillary because Americans will need someone to take their frustrations out on. If Obama does get in and ends that stupid war, Americans will be better off financially. The war bill must be bloody phenomenal, not to mention the loss of lives. Not to mention the embarrassing report for Bush that found that Saddam did not have any direct links to Al Q. Oh dear ...  Deary, deary me! |
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Post by sparrow on Mar 17, 2008 22:43:37 GMT 12
This is awkward ... if ya George Dubya ... www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/13/saddam.alqaidaOfficial US study denies Saddam had links with al-Qaida A US military study officially acknowledged for the first time yesterday that Saddam Hussein had no direct ties to al-Qaida, undercutting the Bush administration's central case for war with Iraq. The study, based on more than 600,000 documents recovered after US and UK troops toppled Saddam in 2003, concluded there was "no 'smoking gun' [direct connection] between Saddam's Iraq and al-Qaida". George Bush and his senior aides have made numerous attempts to link Saddam and al-Qaida in their justification for waging war against Iraq. The US defence department attempted to bury the release of the report yesterday. The Pentagon cancelled a briefing on the study and scrapped plans to post its findings on the internet, ABC news reported. Unclassified copies of the study would be sent to interested individuals in the mail, military officials told the network. Another Pentagon official told ABC that initial press reports on the study made it "too politically sensitive". As early as 2002, military intelligence analysts discounted the administration's claim that the Iraqi government had trained al-Qaida members to employ chemical weapons. But Bush aides continued asserting that the intelligence they received showed a link. "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al-Qaida: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida," Bush said in 2004. But the new study, which also draws on thousands of hours of interrogations of senior Iraqi government officials now in US custody, concludes that while Baghdad did support some Palestinian groups, the main focus of its attention was internal terrorist acts. "The predominant targets of Iraqi state terror operations were Iraqi citizens, both inside and outside of Iraq," the study's executive summary concludes. The authors of the new study, conducted by the Institute for Defence Analyses, the military's non-profit research arm, discovered Iraqi government memos revealing financial support for "suicide bombers in Gaza and the West Bank". The Saddam regime also recorded development of car bombs and explosive vests. But the admission that there were no direct ties between the deceased dictator and al-Qaida makes the study a potential flashpoint for the Bush administration as it tries to play up signs of improving security in Iraq. Next week marks the fifth anniversary of the invasion, and several high-profile remembrance events are planned in Washington. The Pentagon's independent auditor released a report last year that chastised an internal military office created by Bush allies for promoting a link between Saddam and al-Qaida, despite intelligence showing that none existed. Even after that report appeared, vice-president dick Cheney continued saying that al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi collaborated with Iraq. Al-Zarqawi "took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq, organised the al-Qaida operations inside Iraq before we even arrived on the scene", Cheney said in April. The documents used for yesterday's study came from the so-called Harmony database, an expansive catalogue of al-Qaida evidence maintained by the military. The Pentagon's treatment of the report echoes its response in 2005 to a study prepared by another research arm that criticised the White House for failing to prepare for the postwar reconstruction of Iraq. Military officials deemed those conclusions "of a limited value" and decided to keep the study secret, the New York Times reported. |
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Post by damian on Mar 24, 2008 9:30:33 GMT 12
I think the democrats have more chance of getting their man or woman in if Hillary Clinton gets the nod. I don't think when it comes to it that the American people will vote in a black ex-muslim - I'm not sure of his religon because it doesn't bother me but I bet it will others. I HOPE they prove me wrong. I'm ok with Hillary getting it, at least it's not a Bush. Obama is not an ex muslim. He has never been a muslim. But you are right in that I can see if Obama gets the nod for the Democrats, McCain will shoo in. Even a lot of the leftie/do gooder Democrats are not ready for a black leader, which is a shame, because he would make a very good President. A lot of white Democrats will vote for McCain, rather than see Obama get in. |
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Post by damian on Mar 24, 2008 9:58:12 GMT 12
And i for one would hate to see Hillary Clinton or McCain there becuse it would be same old, same old.
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Post by sparrow on Mar 24, 2008 10:01:26 GMT 12
I'd be happy with either Hillary or Obama. I'm not that opposed to McCain, but I don't think the Republicans will get it this time.
The Democratic race has been incredibly interesting. America has to decide what it dislikes more as leaders: Blacks or Women.
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Post by damian on Mar 24, 2008 10:42:17 GMT 12
I think the Republicans will "fluke" it again....redneck America will flock to back McCain, rather than see a black or female president.
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Post by kokonutwoman on Mar 25, 2008 19:37:37 GMT 12
Me thinks you might be right Damian but what ever happens Sparrows right it will be interesting.
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Post by kokonutwoman on May 8, 2008 10:00:18 GMT 12
Well another interesting turning point will or should Hillary bow out gracefully. It's thought-provoking to see the voting sectors that have supported the candidates. Hillary has most of the blue collar support whereas Obama has the majority of the brown middle class and white collar support. Hmm Change in the wind perhaps
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