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Post by Lux on May 22, 2008 7:43:15 GMT 12
when people say if you live in our Country then you have to take on our culture...well there are the obvious things like we don't walk around with guns... we have running water so you don't have to carry it from a stream...our women don't cover their heads...we don't often eat with chopsticks...neither do Indonesians I discovered talking to a colleague at work. Something I'd assumed, terrible thing that, assumption.
Why should people who's first language is something other than English speak English in public so not to offend the ignorant kiwi masses? What is Kiwi culture? Doesn't really include Maori culture does it, because Maori get told the same thing on a daily basis, a public show of Maori culture is often regarded by the ignorant...as those Maori trying to ram their culture down our throats, how dare our children be exposed to Te Reo in public schools, they are there to learn!!!
And yet we sell the world a different story, one in which Maori culture is celebrated.
So immigrants need to take on our culture...which is what exactly?
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Post by kokonutwoman on May 22, 2008 9:30:15 GMT 12
Another few questions - why is it when some of these very people who oppose Te Reo Maori go on their OE have after few drinks start doing the haka? Why is it when New Zealand stands on a winning podium the Haka breaks out?
As a visitor, immigrants don't need to take on the culture but embrace and respect it (Maori). In terms of the dominant discourse well that's a hard one because "kiwi culture" is constantly evolving depending on the alleged expert at the time. What the ignorant kiwis need to remember that this is not their ancestral land therefore - immigrants.
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Post by toerag on May 22, 2008 17:07:21 GMT 12
So koko are you say there is a kiwi culture?
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Post by kokonutwoman on May 23, 2008 11:47:36 GMT 12
Yes I am saying there is a Kiwi culture per say, and it depends on what part of the country you live in.
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Post by herodotus on May 23, 2008 19:13:45 GMT 12
gotta watch out for the rednecks and the "oddjobs"
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Post by lolly on May 23, 2008 20:43:19 GMT 12
I think NZ can contain both cultures and also embrace those new cultures that arrive on these shores,I think the trouble lies in new zealands relatvie isolation for so many years to many became to insular and this has carried done thgouh the generations.The sad thing is its the rednecks and odd jobs who have the loudest voices.THe rest of us are getting on and enjoying the wonderful cultures and country we have.
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Post by Lux on May 24, 2008 10:42:11 GMT 12
Yes I am saying there is a Kiwi culture per say, and it depends on what part of the country you live in. True... When I go to Dunedin I embrace the Scottish heritage of the place, the big stone fireplaces and the all night hum of the place, when I go to Rotorua I enjoy the hospitality of the guides and take in the richness of Maori culture and the sweet singing, when I go to Auckland I do the finger to other drivers and curse them as they do me, when I go to Wellington I enjoy the art and the quirky people up Manners Mall, when I go to any seaside town I enjoy the friendly waves, the bbqs and the talk of fishing spots. and when I go to Christchurch... I leave  Sorry mates! ;D |
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Post by kokonutwoman on May 24, 2008 11:23:12 GMT 12
 Id leave to Lux but I have a grandson here,
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Post by lolly on May 24, 2008 12:31:58 GMT 12
i lvoe chch..but it makes me so sick.......i cant live there..
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Post by graeme30 on May 29, 2008 21:13:35 GMT 12
i lvoe chch..but it makes me so sick.......i cant live there.. With the temp at 1 degree last night it would make anyone sick.  |
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Post by Lux on Jul 27, 2008 20:33:28 GMT 12
All and all I think the broadcasting dept. has put a greater effort into Te Reo Maori week than has been in the past. I was talking to a fellow in Scrabble today who lives in India, he speaks 3 languages and its just the norm for him - he says theres about 14 regular languages that are spoken in India, including English but the poorer people aren't educated in the English language.
I thin he's really lucky to be comfortable speaking three languages with ease, I wish we'd all been exposed to more languages besides English, it would be easier to learn others then I think.
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Post by lolly on Jul 27, 2008 23:05:05 GMT 12
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Post by herodotus on Jul 28, 2008 15:10:53 GMT 12
according to margaret mead and I believe her, 'culture' is the analysis and comparison of learned patterns of behaviour that humans use to master the natural world...the rest is marketing...haaaaaaaahahahahahahaha..thats my contribution
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Post by kokonutwoman on Jul 28, 2008 21:58:01 GMT 12
according to margaret mead and I believe her, 'culture' is the analysis and comparison of learned patterns of behaviour that humans use to master the natural world...the rest is marketing...haaaaaaaahahahahahahaha..thats my contribution Margaret Mead |
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Post by sparrow on Aug 4, 2008 10:11:32 GMT 12
Yes I am saying there is a Kiwi culture per say, and it depends on what part of the country you live in. True... When I go to Dunedin I embrace the Scottish heritage of the place, the big stone fireplaces and the all night hum of the place, when I go to Rotorua I enjoy the hospitality of the guides and take in the richness of Maori culture and the sweet singing, when I go to Auckland I do the finger to other drivers and curse them as they do me, when I go to Wellington I enjoy the art and the quirky people up Manners Mall, when I go to any seaside town I enjoy the friendly waves, the bbqs and the talk of fishing spots. and when I go to Christchurch... I leave Sorry mates! ;D I'd love to leave too! Hubby won't leave at the moment. I get the "calls" from home (which are thinly veiled threats to Hubby) to move back up North. Christchurch fancies itself as a miniature England, but it left all the good parts of the English behind (like the humour and ability to laugh at oneselves) and brought the "snob", pseudo-class system (which is pretty silly considering where most of the "founders" came from). Incidentally a friend of mine was doing some work and had to look up the Court pages from the 19th Century. He found a number of women in those days had convictions for prostitution. Given the male/female ratio in the 19th Century, especially in the South Island, all the people who are proud to acknowledge themselves from the "four ships" more than likely, had an ancestor who was a "working girl". |
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Post by kokonutwoman on Aug 4, 2008 10:23:24 GMT 12
Yeah funny that, new country, got above their station and sucked the locals in, shameful  Christchurch hasn't got a very good sense of humour that's why they're easy pickin' I was born here thank gawd I've got my parents warps sense of humour |
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