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Post by bingbong on Nov 16, 2008 16:00:52 GMT 12
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Post by kokonutwoman on Nov 16, 2008 20:06:52 GMT 12
interesting read bingbong
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Post by sparrow on Nov 16, 2008 21:10:54 GMT 12
I'm trying to get a link to Chris Trotter's bile in the Sunday Star Times about Tariana Turia and the Maori Party. Seriously. I think he needs medication.
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naki
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Post by naki on Nov 17, 2008 5:10:28 GMT 12
Poor old Chris, facing a spell as the toothless voice of the opposition. I'm a long time Labour supporter, but to give Key his due, it's a stroke of genius getting onside with the Maori Party. Means he is much less reliant on the foaming crazies of ACT.
Anyways, when did it become National Party policy to retain the Maori seats? I'm sure that there's a few dyed-blue voters who see that as a betrayal of confidence already.
Could it be that with the arrival of Key, the National party has found a political competence that has been missing since before Muldoon?
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Post by kokonutwoman on Nov 17, 2008 6:44:34 GMT 12
I think you might be on to something there naki
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Post by sparrow on Nov 17, 2008 8:23:10 GMT 12
Poor old Chris, facing a spell as the toothless voice of the opposition. I'm a long time Labour supporter, but to give Key his due, it's a stroke of genius getting onside with the Maori Party. Means he is much less reliant on the foaming crazies of ACT. Anyways, when did it become National Party policy to retain the Maori seats? I'm sure that there's a few dyed-blue voters who see that as a betrayal of confidence already. Could it be that with the arrival of Key, the National party has found a political competence that has been missing since before Muldoon? I agree, Naki. One of the interesting things about the election of Obama and Key is that it signals a generational shift (rather than just a left/right/centre difference). Obama and Key are either a) post-baby boomer or the start of Gen X. The cultural and intellectual battles of the former generation won't be the battles of this generation. Agreeing to retain the Maori seats costs Key little and continues the status quo. National were never going to win the Maori seats, but the Maori Party (of course) could and would. An agreement in principle with the Maori Party means that a potential ally can win a core sector (where National is under-represented) of the population for you. Labour's attitude toward Maori and the Maori seats was someone different. They appeared to want to secure Maori loyalty to the Labour flag and after the Foreshore and Seabed issue (which precipitated the rise and formation of the Maori Party), this was always going to be difficult. If this agreement works out, it's going to be even more difficult for Labour because you will see more Maori on the Maori roll give their party vote to the Maori party. Interesting times ... |
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Post by herodotus on Nov 17, 2008 19:06:07 GMT 12
Ha
As a pakeha I dont have much faith in TT or PT. they seem to have a very funny view of the world.
PT wears his phd as a badge and has stopped using it a s a tool
TT has welded a whole lot of native american liberation philosophy onto a mish mash of self selected history that has become a means of sorting out who toes the party line and who does not
that is not healthy and its not good for Maori
Some Maori claim all Maori to be a spiritual people but all their graduates are lawyers and accountants
Where are the historians and the philosophers and the anthropologists
Its all very well doing a poi dance and a haka but lets see some real effort in undersatnding and advancing knowledge instead of relaxing into a self satisfied smug little acceptance of a perhaps one off political victory
I would hate to think that sitting in the winners circle and taking over winnies baubles is enough to satisfy the mass of the Maori seat voters
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Post by Lux on Nov 18, 2008 12:58:34 GMT 12
Whats a persons wairua got to do with choice of employment/career/industry? Can a lawyer not be a philosopher? An accountant not be an historian?
Why would you assume that the forming a treaty based partnership with the current Government is an 'end' result? Its the beginning! the work has yet to be done, it hasn't to do with status H, its to do with moving forward in an effort to better and support the lot of New Zealanders in general, with particular emphasis on Maori perspective which most definitely is founded on history and philosophy 'Kaupapa' Maori.
The Maori party have not formed a coalition with the National Party, they have determined a Treaty based working partnership, which is what Maori party also asked of the labour Govt and were denied it.
Have some faith, look forward >
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