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Post by Lux on Feb 19, 2009 7:13:56 GMT 12
hmmm...Govt Bail out for struggling private schools due to the withdrawal of students during a recession?
I'm not liking what I'm hearing.
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Post by punga on Feb 19, 2009 14:16:01 GMT 12
hmmm...Govt Bail out for struggling private schools due to the withdrawal of students during a recession? I'm not liking what I'm hearing. gotta be better than paying the dole to a bunch of school staff being made redundant.imho |
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Post by naki on Feb 19, 2009 14:16:30 GMT 12
Every child is entitled to an education. I have no problem with private schools receiving the same amount of government funding as public schools, as long as the private schools deliver an equal or higher standard of education.After all, if the private schools didn't exist, the cost of educating the children would fall to the state anyway.
I would be concerned, however, if private schools were asking for more money from the government than would otherwise be spent on a state school education.
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Post by naki on Feb 19, 2009 14:18:24 GMT 12
hmmm...Govt Bail out for struggling private schools due to the withdrawal of students during a recession? I'm not liking what I'm hearing. gotta be better than paying the dole to a bunch of school staff being made redundant.imho the number of children needing education remains constant. Any job losses in the private sector would be offset by increased demand from the state education ststem. |
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Post by terauparaha on Feb 19, 2009 14:38:42 GMT 12
But if private schools were give the same money as public schools as well as parents contributions, doesn't that give the private school kids an unfair advantage? We're not in England or are we?  |
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Post by Lux on Feb 19, 2009 15:22:47 GMT 12
Every child is entitled to an education. I have no problem with private schools receiving the same amount of government funding as public schools, as long as the private schools deliver an equal or higher standard of education.After all, if the private schools didn't exist, the cost of educating the children would fall to the state anyway. I would be concerned, however, if private schools were asking for more money from the government than would otherwise be spent on a state school education. Public schools are underfunded already. Every child is entitled to a decent education yes. The majority of children attending school in this Country go to public schools so why not if there is any more funding in Education spend it on those schools and those children. The state picking up the tab anyway - argument, doesn't sit well with me...If we can afford private health care, private dental care, private education for our children then we have the choice to use those services, if not then we don't. It seems pretty elitist to be funding private schools for the few when we need to be putting more funding into public schools for the majority...yes every child is entitled to a decent education. ...Next we'll be having people say why should I pay for roading I haven't got a car, and since I pay rates the Govt should provide me with one... ...I haven't used a hospital or public health care service in 5 years I want a tax refund... ...I've decided to use a private hospital services to get a bum lift...I want the govt to fund it. (actually thats not a bad idea LOL)... |
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Post by Lux on Feb 19, 2009 15:24:56 GMT 12
OF course private school workers could do what other companies workers are doing in this recession - take a pay cut.
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Post by punga on Feb 19, 2009 15:29:52 GMT 12
gotta be better than paying the dole to a bunch of school staff being made redundant.imho the number of children needing education remains constant. Any job losses in the private sector would be offset by increased demand from the state education ststem. sorry,i cant fully agree there...the number of kids in each class would rise,instead.because the "ex private school kids" would be spread out over many different public schools and therefore several extra kids at many different schools,would not justify more teachers... |
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Post by punga on Feb 19, 2009 15:43:32 GMT 12
by the way...those private school parents pay the same percentage of tax as public school parents,so surely they are entitled to spend extra money on semi privately funded schooling.
and another point...isnt it better for the tax payer, to have kids in private schools,where only,say,only quarter or even half the funding comes from the government?...
gotta be cheaper than schooling ALL of them publicly using only OUR tax money.
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Post by punga on Feb 19, 2009 15:46:11 GMT 12
But if private schools were give the same money as public schools as well as parents contributions, doesn't that give the private school kids an unfair advantage? We're not in England or are we? nup...i think it could be seen as unfair if private schools get no government money...those parents pay tax too |
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Post by terauparaha on Feb 19, 2009 18:09:34 GMT 12
But if private schools were give the same money as public schools as well as parents contributions, doesn't that give the private school kids an unfair advantage? We're not in England or are we? nup...i think it could be seen as unfair if private schools get no government money...those parents pay tax too But they choose private schooling. I said "But if private schools were give the same money" Surely they shouldn't get the same money that public schools get plus all the extra money from the parents. The private schools should produce documentation of what they do bring in from parents and elsewhere and be helped up to the same level as public schools if their budget comes under the public schools. That's all they need and deserve isn't it? To be equal. |
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Post by punga on Feb 19, 2009 18:27:15 GMT 12
nup...i think it could be seen as unfair if private schools get no government money...those parents pay tax too But they choose private schooling. I said "But if private schools were give the same money" Surely they shouldn't get the same money that public schools get plus all the extra money from the parents. The private schools should produce documentation of what they do bring in from parents and elsewhere and be helped up to the same level as public schools if their budget comes under the public schools. That's all they need and deserve isn't it? To be equal. id say private schools will get bugger all from the state,who knows. i think that if a parent can pay for a perceived better education by going private,then whats the problem about a bit of government assistance in rough times? |
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Post by Lux on Feb 19, 2009 19:20:29 GMT 12
Its about choices and its about luxuries, private schools make up 4 percent of the nations schools, they are attended by choice. The other 96 percent need all the funding they can get and most are underfunded, so why should the 96 percent give up funding to basically pay private school teachers higher salaries? What message does that send to all the hard working public school teachers?
We all pay tax for services we might not use, may have never used and might never use. What makes them so special then?
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Post by terauparaha on Feb 19, 2009 20:37:12 GMT 12
But they choose private schooling. I said "But if private schools were give the same money" Surely they shouldn't get the same money that public schools get plus all the extra money from the parents. The private schools should produce documentation of what they do bring in from parents and elsewhere and be helped up to the same level as public schools if their budget comes under the public schools. That's all they need and deserve isn't it? To be equal. id say private schools will get bugger all from the state,who knows. i think that if a parent can pay for a perceived better education by going private,then whats the problem about a bit of government assistance in rough times? Nothing |
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Post by punga on Feb 19, 2009 20:38:37 GMT 12
What message does that send to all the hard working public school teachers? it tells them that they chose the wrong school to work in. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by terauparaha on Feb 19, 2009 20:46:38 GMT 12
Its about choices and its about luxuries, private schools make up 4 percent of the nations schools, they are attended by choice. The other 96 percent need all the funding they can get and most are underfunded, so why should the 96 percent give up funding to basically pay private school teachers higher salaries? What message does that send to all the hard working public school teachers? We all pay tax for services we might not use, may have never used and might never use. What makes them so special then? With you there Lux. Thats what I was trying to say. |
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Post by Lux on Feb 19, 2009 20:54:08 GMT 12
How can they be called private schools if they are public funded.
And what of all the other businesses going bust or struggling because of the recession...is the tax payer going to fund them too?
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Post by terauparaha on Feb 19, 2009 21:38:35 GMT 12
The govt always fund farmers when they fall on hard times. It's "get stuffed" to the rest of us. This private school thing is going to be the same by the look of it. I wonder how many farmers children are in private schools.
Ladies and gentlemen we have a right wing govt
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Post by punga on Feb 19, 2009 22:09:11 GMT 12
How can they be called private schools if they are public funded. And what of all the other businesses going bust or struggling because of the recession...is the tax payer going to fund them too? with all due respect,i think your being unfair.even workers can get top ups from IRD if they arent making enough money...and they can be working for "private" companies. id be pissed off if the government "didnt" step in and some of the historic schools went under. |
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Post by naki on Feb 20, 2009 5:40:38 GMT 12
But if private schools were give the same money as public schools as well as parents contributions, doesn't that give the private school kids an unfair advantage? We're not in England or are we? Why do you suppose people pay to send their kids to private schools? It would be damn stupid to pay extra for your child's education if you didn't receive any extra benefits in return. |
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Post by Lux on Feb 20, 2009 9:32:33 GMT 12
The govt always fund farmers when they fall on hard times. It's "get stuffed" to the rest of us. This private school thing is going to be the same by the look of it. I wonder how many farmers children are in private schools. Ladies and gentlemen we have a right wing govt Kids who live away from district schools are Govt subsidised if they attend/ board at private schools. |
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Post by Lux on Feb 20, 2009 10:06:51 GMT 12
How can they be called private schools if they are public funded. And what of all the other businesses going bust or struggling because of the recession...is the tax payer going to fund them too? with all due respect,i think your being unfair.even workers can get top ups from IRD if they arent making enough money...and they can be working for "private" companies. id be pissed off if the government "didnt" step in and some of the historic schools went under. Not unfair at all, basic living/survival costs yes fund those if times are tough...Otherwise think of ways to reduce running costs and say goodbye to big profits like every other business is doing at the moment. If private schools are propped up where is the assurance that that benefit will be passed onto parents? If parents can't afford to send there kids to private school then send them to public schools easy as that. |
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Post by punga on Feb 20, 2009 10:10:26 GMT 12
The govt always fund farmers when they fall on hard times. It's "get stuffed" to the rest of us. This private school thing is going to be the same by the look of it. I wonder how many farmers children are in private schools. Ladies and gentlemen we have a right wing govt Kids who live away from district schools are Govt subsidised if they attend/ board at private schools. i think they are for public schools too.ie big buses traveling miles and miles to pick up just one or two children |
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Post by Lux on Feb 20, 2009 10:16:08 GMT 12
Kids who live away from district schools are Govt subsidised if they attend/ board at private schools. i think they are for public schools too.ie big buses traveling miles and miles to pick up just one or two children Yep for both but I think the idea is you send your child to a boarding school if that works out more economical and not hours of travel. I don't think they are sending buses into rural districts to pick up one or two kids. Hasn't there been a bit of bother over that...parents wanting the service the Govt refusing to pay for it? |
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Post by punga on Feb 20, 2009 10:16:30 GMT 12
with all due respect,i think your being unfair.even workers can get top ups from IRD if they arent making enough money...and they can be working for "private" companies. id be pissed off if the government "didnt" step in and some of the historic schools went under. Not unfair at all, basic living/survival costs yes fund those if times are tough...Otherwise think of ways to reduce running costs and say goodbye to big profits like every other business is doing at the moment. If private schools are propped up where is the assurance that that benefit will be passed onto parents? If parents can't afford to send there kids to private school then send them to public schools easy as that. its gotta be cheaper for the tax payer to fund "a little" of the private schooling,than it would be to have them close down and have the state fund all of the kids 100%  ?imho |
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