Anton ten Hove, Cop that shot man dead in Chch.

[bingbong]

Sergeant Anton ten Hove aged (51) is the Christchurch Cop that shot dead the man in Christchurch on September 26 2007 this is identified with photo in the Truth paper published in the Thursday October 4 2007 edition

[guest]

Why do you think it's ok to publish his name?.

[kokonutwoman]

The Truth already have

[bingbong]

re quest's question [Why do you think it's ok to publish his name?.]

response

1. I didn't publish his name the Truth paper did.

2. We live in New Zealand not communist China, authorities don't tell us what to do.

3. The Cop [ Sergeant Anton ten Hove] "the front line 'hardman" that shot the man dead is not a victim the man he killed is.

4. This Police Officer and others like him should be under intense scrutiny and a clean professional Police force would have no problem in open processes, not through hiding. A clean police Officer has noting to hide.

5. He chose to shoot him and chooses his job he has the benefits and consequences. I don't want unprofessional Police Officer's they have nothing to offer other than creating havoc and are a waste of money as they are a problem.

6. He has been accused of aggressive conduct before and this may spur others to come forward.

7 The Police are not effective in investigating their own like when they shoot people dead, like Steve Wallace who was shot by The Cop Abbott the Police's Police Complaints Authority 7 years on still haven't released their findings. That is why the Police are not uncomfortable with the Police Complaints Authority as it doesn't challenge them, it is them.

8 Freedom of expression there was no name suppression.

And Quest if you believe his name [Sergeant Anton ten Hove] shouldn't be published can you identify why?

[maire]

Where have I heard that name before?
Has he been in the news before at all?

[guest]

bingbong said:

re quest's question [Why do you think it's ok to publish his name?.]

response

1. I didn't publish his name the Truth paper did.

2. We live in New Zealand not communist China, authorities don't tell us what to do.

3. The Cop [ Sergeant Anton ten Hove] "the front line 'hardman" that shot the man dead is not a victim the man he killed is.

4. This Police Officer and others like him should be under intense scrutiny and a clean professional Police force would have no problem in open processes, not through hiding. A clean police Officer has noting to hide.

5. He chose to shoot him and chooses his job he has the benefits and consequences. I don't want unprofessional Police Officer's they have nothing to offer other than creating havoc and are a waste of money as they are a problem.

6. He has been accused of aggressive conduct before and this may spur others to come forward.

7 The Police are not effective in investigating their own like when they shoot people dead, like Steve Wallace who was shot by The Cop Abbott the Police's Police Complaints Authority 7 years on still haven't released their findings. That is why the Police are not uncomfortable with the Police Complaints Authority as it doesn't challenge them, it is them.

8 Freedom of expression there was no name suppression.

And Quest if you believe his name [Sergeant Anton ten Hove] shouldn't be published can you identify why?

!, you published it here.
2,No they don't, I would have thought common sense would tell you how inappropriate it is to publish the name before any investigation has been done.
3, he will be a victim now that all and sundry can pester him at home.
4, I don't see that keeping his private and family life separate from his professional has anything to do with hiding anything,merely courtesy for his family.
5,He did his job as he saw it on the night,he surely deserves more than trial by media?
6,Accused but not convicted,he has also been awarded bravery medals.
7,Is trial by media and misinformation better?
8,Do you really need a comment on that statement?How can he have name suppression when he is not accused of anything.

[Lux]

No, his name was not published here, his name was published in the Truth and Bing bong is discussing that article here. I think I might be the 3rd person to make you aware of that guest.

[bingbong]

Re Quest your reply #5

A blast of the past for your reflection concerning naming issues etc re the previous Cop [Keith Abbott] that killed the young man Steven Wallace and the Court standard re suppressing of identity in that case "It said a court injunction suppressing the identity of Abbott was lifted because the case was "a public act in a public place by a public officer".

Therefore Sergeant Anton ten Hove the latest COP THAT SHOT A PERSON DEAD same applies Your reasoning doesn't appear solid, possum.

In addition i suggest you don't get your knickers in a twist over the Cop Sergeant Anton ten Hove cause do you know what happens if you get your knickers in a twist?

Answer: You just end up walking funny!

AND

You never know whether if that happened in the presence of Sergeant Anton ten Hove he might find THAT reason to draw his gun and you know what can happen there!!!!!Bingbong.

[guest]

admin said:

No, his name was not published here, his name was published in the Truth and Bing bong is discussing that article here. I think I might be the 3rd person to make you aware of that guest.

Sorry lux but his name was published here by bing bong.If there was a court ordered suppression it would count as contempt.

[guest]

bingbong said:

Re Quest your reply #5

A blast of the past for your reflection concerning naming issues etc re the previous Cop [Keith Abbott] that killed the young man Steven Wallace and the Court standard re suppressing of identity in that case "It said a court injunction suppressing the identity of Abbott was lifted because the case was "a public act in a public place by a public officer".

Therefore Sergeant Anton ten Hove the latest COP THAT SHOT A PERSON DEAD same applies Your reasoning doesn't appear solid, possum.

In addition i suggest you don't get your knickers in a twist over the Cop Sergeant Anton ten Hove cause do you know what happens if you get your knickers in a twist?

Answer: You just end up walking funny!

AND

You never know whether if that happened in the presence of Sergeant Anton ten Hove he might find THAT reason to draw his gun and you know what can happen there!!!!!Bingbong.

Clearly you have no interest in discussing the issue rationally and I have no interest in getting into a slanging match with you, have a nice day.

[sparrow]

guest said:

admin said:

No, his name was not published here, his name was published in the Truth and Bing bong is discussing that article here. I think I might be the 3rd person to make you aware of that guest.

Sorry lux but his name was published here by bing bong.If there was a court ordered suppression it would count as contempt.

There isn't a Court order though.

[sparrow]

guest said:

bingbong said:

Re Quest your reply #5

A blast of the past for your reflection concerning naming issues etc re the previous Cop [Keith Abbott] that killed the young man Steven Wallace and the Court standard re suppressing of identity in that case "It said a court injunction suppressing the identity of Abbott was lifted because the case was "a public act in a public place by a public officer".

Therefore Sergeant Anton ten Hove the latest COP THAT SHOT A PERSON DEAD same applies Your reasoning doesn't appear solid, possum.

In addition i suggest you don't get your knickers in a twist over the Cop Sergeant Anton ten Hove cause do you know what happens if you get your knickers in a twist?

Answer: You just end up walking funny!

AND

You never know whether if that happened in the presence of Sergeant Anton ten Hove he might find THAT reason to draw his gun and you know what can happen there!!!!!Bingbong.

Clearly you have no interest in discussing the issue rationally and I have no interest in getting into a slanging match with you, have a nice day.

Bingbong's argument is rational. I can follow it. On the other hand, you haven't outlaid your reasons why you think the name should go unpublished - except for the possibility of a Suppression Order which is not in place.

[Lux]

If a suppression order comes into place I will remove the name from this site, until then I'm viewing it just as it was put to this forum, a newspaper article up for discussion and/or opinion.

[bingbong]

Re quest you are avoiding the substance in a claim you made that you can't thread a response too. Substantiate your earlier comment otherwise why make one in the first place unless you are only able to vent. Quest why do you think his name shouldn't be published?

Evading the subject and then claiming "dissension not allowed here" is a fiction. What is apparent is you are possibly trying to meet your own needs in away that people who are clear don't need to.

Tolerance and dissension is in abundance here and you still cant put any flesh re your views essentially an empty claim. I prefer people who are all there, not all over the place!

[Lux]

Read on stuff this morning that the copper has sent his condolences to the family, who have taken it quite gracefully, but I think once the deep mourning period is over there will be lots of questions which will hopefully be addressed honestly. I think the days of police cover ups are numbered, not being tolerated as they once were, the recent sentencing in the Dewar case will perhaps have some impact on future Police actions or non action when dealing with their own.

[kokonutwoman]

Do we have an independent body that investigates police actions or is it a case of the 'old boys network'? I can never really be sure - someone please??