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Post by Lux on Jul 19, 2010 19:23:04 GMT 12
Don't know about you peeps but I'm voting those bastards out next round...talk about thievinf rotten arseholes....oh yeah and we have another vote this time! ;D
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Post by punga on Jul 19, 2010 21:17:53 GMT 12
Don't know about you peeps but I'm voting those bastards out next round...talk about thievinf rotten arseholes....oh yeah and we have another vote this time! ;D im not!  |
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Post by sparrow on Jul 20, 2010 3:47:56 GMT 12
Who would you vote in though? Seriously: Labour had 9 years and managed but never led.
I do think, however, that it's getting to the time that people in NZ protest about issues they're unhappy with in a coordinated fashion. This doesn't have to mean a change of Govt, but a rethink on direction. Labour are a mess at the moment. At the moment it's balancing the lesser of two evils.
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Post by maire on Jul 20, 2010 7:26:11 GMT 12
I cannot understand how Labour managed to keep the country running (financially) but National are making cuts all over and borrowing heavily from overseas and are still having problems managing.
Where is all that extra money going to?
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Post by Lux on Jul 20, 2010 17:30:30 GMT 12
I met a Doc today who described himself as a lefty pinko softcock communist...I nearly fell in love LOL anyway I wish he was in the running. He works with broken (sorry can't think of another way to describe them right now) youth.
I don't know Sparrow, i just want National out...right wing facist arseholes.
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Post by Lux on Jul 20, 2010 17:35:02 GMT 12
Don't know about you peeps but I'm voting those bastards out next round...talk about thievinf rotten arseholes....oh yeah and we have another vote this time! ;D im not! You're obviously not raising a family punga, if you were you'd be able to see how the pricks are shiteting on families. |
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Post by punga on Jul 20, 2010 17:52:34 GMT 12
im not! You're obviously not raising a family punga, if you were you'd be able to see how the pricks are shiteeting on families. hmmm...well actually,i am raising a family.by choice too.the kids aint mine.  . the only thing im pissed about,is the rise in GST,but ill get over it....im all for the mining too,but i see on the news that its gonna be canned.as far as im concerned,most of DOC land is wasted.... |
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Post by Lux on Jul 20, 2010 19:56:57 GMT 12
You're obviously not raising a family punga, if you were you'd be able to see how the pricks are shiteeeting on families. hmmm...well actually,i am raising a family.by choice too.the kids aint mine. . the only thing im pissed about,is the rise in GST,but ill get over it....im all for the mining too,but i see on the news that its gonna be canned.as far as im concerned,most of DOC land is wasted.... Well I'm not going to get over it, so far lets see, cuts in health and education, rise in basic living expenses and this bullshite whereby those desperately seeking full time secure employment in order to raise families effeciently are now looking at no security whatsoever...I'm glad the mining is looking like it will be canned because I'd rather see the land sit in its nature state than be laid to waste by overseas interests who are out to make big bucks while feeding us peanuts...I think enough of that has gone on in the past, with no benefit at all to the tangata whenua. Personally we're not faring to badly, but I work with families who will suffer the consequences of this Govt's total disregard for the well-being of families. |
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Post by maire on Jul 20, 2010 20:00:53 GMT 12
Same here Lux, about faring okay but know there are a lot of families and those on low and fixed incomes that will be struggling to cope with price increases across the board.
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Post by punga on Jul 20, 2010 20:32:06 GMT 12
to be honest,i dont care what they do...it is what i do that is gonna determine my happiness or success.im a firm believer in "user pays" and im not well off.
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Post by Lux on Jul 21, 2010 16:56:27 GMT 12
Well you and I both pay taxes for a reason, those taxes should be utilised effectively to look after the interests of you and I...therefore should I need urgent help from the health system or my kids need to use the education system, I should be secure in the fact that those things are freely available because I hold an interest in those things through paying my bloody taxes.
If my taxes are managed effectively then there are certain public services which I expect to not have to pay for...again... and as long as Governments see fit to reap in the perks and benefits of their positions, perks and benefits which they have created for themselves....I ain't buying in to 'user pays'
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Post by punga on Jul 21, 2010 18:15:25 GMT 12
Well you and I both pay taxes or a bloody fantastic accountant |
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Post by sparrow on Jul 21, 2010 19:52:38 GMT 12
It's interesting being here. We have to have private medical insurance. You get low taxes here to a certain amount, but you pay for just about everything else, except for education. There are also (like NZ) local taxes etc and food, houses, clothing etc is expensive. Electronic goods and cars are not (for some reason). I've been reading this debate online about how expensive NZ is: www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10659963www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10659895And I think this is one of the main points I would be asking if I was a Kiwi. Why is the cost of living so high in the country? Prices in NZ are exorbitant and before anyone says "cost of workers" or "we have a small population" remember we export food to most of the world ... |
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Post by punga on Jul 22, 2010 9:06:32 GMT 12
probably a third of this country is on a benefit of some sort...of course taxes are gonna be high in nz
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Post by sparrow on Jul 22, 2010 19:19:56 GMT 12
probably a third of this country is on a benefit of some sort...of course taxes are gonna be high in nz Superannuation is the largest drain on the social welfare benefit. The wages are low in this country (that's on employers and no-one else) and prices are high. I don't think being on a benefit really has anything to do with why prices are so high in NZ. We are being fleeced from interest rates to the cost of food. |
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Post by punga on Jul 22, 2010 20:09:51 GMT 12
haaaa...i have answers and id luv to carry on,however,publicly debating politics on a mb is not something i wish to be a part of,sorry.....lol i could see myself becoming quite unpopular here too. |
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Post by Lux on Jul 23, 2010 12:24:46 GMT 12
haaaa...i have answers and id luv to carry on,however,publicly debating politics on a mb is not something i wish to be a part of,sorry.....lol i could see myself becoming quite unpopular here too. Just go for it punga, its a debate, we don't do public executions here just because we don't all agree...thats what is missing in some other forums you disagree in a debate, they hang you. Here you only get hanged for being extremely personally offensive and stupid. ;D BTW, only really really stupid people offend me, and theres a whole 'nother message board 'pit' for that lot - so we're safe in debate here |
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Post by Lux on Jul 23, 2010 12:30:34 GMT 12
probably a third of this country is on a benefit of some sort...of course taxes are gonna be high in nz Superannuation is the largest drain on the social welfare benefit. The wages are low in this country (that's on employers and no-one else) and prices are high. I don't think being on a benefit really has anything to do with why prices are so high in NZ. We are being fleeced from interest rates to the cost of food. And easy for Govts' of the day to pull the wool over and have us all at each others throats, rather than fight the greedy buggers. Did you know all the power companies in NZ are in the top 50 businesses in the Country, what the hell? The stuff that generates the power is ours, the infrastructure which carries it is barely maintained, the profit margins are friggin ridiculous. And the Govt' does nothing, never mind euthanesia we can freeze our sick and old instead.  |
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Post by punga on Jul 23, 2010 22:59:21 GMT 12
haaaa...i have answers and id luv to carry on,however,publicly debating politics on a mb is not something i wish to be a part of,sorry.....lol i could see myself becoming quite unpopular here too. Just go for it punga, its a debate, we don't do public executions here just because we don't all agree...thats what is missing in some other forums you disagree in a debate, they hang you. Here you only get hanged for being extremely personally offensive and stupid. ;D BTW, only really really stupid people offend me, and theres a whole 'nother message board 'pit' for that lot - so we're safe in debate here no thanks...not politics and definitely not here. |
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Post by sparrow on Jul 24, 2010 8:38:35 GMT 12
Fair enough Punga! I'm going to get into it though. I don't particularly like National or Labour and would like to see a real alternative and/or people with fresh ideas that aren't based in stupid ideology or fighting old wars.
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Post by kokonutwoman on Jul 28, 2010 0:28:15 GMT 12
Boy have I missed something...agree sparrow - alternative is needed
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Post by sparrow on Jul 31, 2010 0:17:08 GMT 12
This is atrocious: www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/3968080/Return-to-jail-disgustingConsigning a 69-year-old man with Parkinson's disease and suspected dementia to prison throws the spotlight on a health system unable to care for the ageing population, critics say. The man, who has been held in Rimutaka Prison for a month on assault and indecent assault charges, appeared in Upper Hutt District Court yesterday and was "regrettably" sent back for a further fortnight as there was nowhere else for him, Judge Geoffrey Ellis said. It is alleged the man, whose name is suppressed, grabbed the breasts of a fellow resident at his previous care home and assaulted a health worker by "shaking his walking stick". The Health Ministry says it has been unsuccessful with "extensive" efforts to find the man care, and his family will not house him. Judge Ellis ordered a report to assess whether the man was physically and mentally able to participate in court proceedings. Grey Power president Les Howard blamed the health system yesterday for having its priorities wrong and said jailing the man was "absolutely bloody disgusting". "With the baby boomers coming on stream there will be a lot more aged people ... There's going to be an increase in dementia patients ... so I think it's bloody poor planning on behalf of the DHBs for not having the bloody facilities ready." Defence lawyer Michael Bott said the ministry had discarded his client. "It appears the ministry doesn't have the funding or the will to do anything at all." The criminal justice system needed to change to better deal with mentally ill and disabled people, he said. Health Minister Tony Ryall said yesterday he was confident the ministry was acting appropriately. Ministry disability services chief adviser Lester Mundell said it was satisfied the man's health and disability support needs were being met in prison, but was working with Corrections and health and disability organisations to find an alternative place for him. Justice Minister Simon Power said legislation provided options for dealing with mentally impaired people, including the power to find a defendant unfit to stand trial and to acquit defendants on account of insanity. Check out the double speak from Ryall - we know there's a problem, but we're not going to do anything about it, except maybe say we know there's a problem. Acknowledging a problem with an eye to fix it would be really helpful. |
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Post by sparrow on Jul 31, 2010 0:19:08 GMT 12
And this one: www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/3970220/Late-night-GPs-cry-unfairPalmerston North GPs covering weekend and evening rosters at City Doctors have had enough of being the only ones working while the rest of the region's GPs take time off. Locum Liam O'Leary, who led the establishment of the centre to relieve after-hours calls for the city's aging doctors, said the workload was hectic because other doctors were "bludging" and not pulling their weight. "Their patients are disadvantaged because they don't get cover from their regular doctor, and our patients suffer because they have to wait longer." The city's other accident and medical centre, The Palms, closes at 7pm on week nights, and earlier at weekends. It provides a phone contact for its patients and those from Feilding which fulfills its contractual obligations until 10pm, when Palmerston North Hospital's emergency department takes after-hours calls. But many of its patients skip the phone call and simply turn up at City Doctors. "People aren't stupid. If they have a sick kid they know the only place with a pharmacy open and doctors on site is here," he said. "It's common sense to come here. It's not the patients' fault." Dr O'Leary said City Doctors was busy enough covering members' own patients, days and evenings, without taking the extras from other practices as well. It had become the de facto after-hours service for the whole region, with demands it wasn't set up to cope with. City Doctors' chairman Edwin van der Merwe agreed. "We are the only doctors who provide proper after-hours care and we are getting a bit tired of it. "We feel other doctors in the region cannot just sit back and have a good lifestyle – not working in evenings or nights – while we provide the care they are supposed to deliver to their patients." The MidCentral District Health Board, through the Central Primary Health Organisation, has offered City Doctors a contract and extra money to recognise its role as the region's after-hours service. But Dr van der Merwe said money wasn't the point. "It's that people are fed up with working the extra hours. We are all getting older – the average age is closer to 60 than 50. It's about the workload." City Doctors has 35 regulars on its evening and weekend rosters, who do about three sessions there a month on top of running their own daytime surgeries. Their annual meeting this week asked its board to negotiate with doctors from The Palms and other practices to take a turn on the roster. Radius Medical Solutions spokeswoman Susan Jenkins said negotiations were under way about alternative after-hours arrangements, but didn't want to comment further until discussions were finalised. Ad Feedback Central PHO chief executive officer Cathy O'Malley said providing after-hours medical care was a national problem. "It is very difficult to staff as the workforce willing to work all day and be on call nights and weekends is getting smaller." Yet more gobbly-de-gook from the PHO ... which is shorthand for we're not going to do anything. |
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Post by Lux on Jul 31, 2010 12:26:16 GMT 12
Yep, older doctors have much better work ethic in my opinion. Around these parts we have people showing up in emergency because they can't get into a GP....mind you younger doctors are taking off as soon as possible for overseas destinations to pay off student loans faster and just because theres more money to be made, can't blame them really when you see useless managers upon managers upon managers sitting on their fat arses in their big offices having a 4 course meal in their personal dining rooms after a hard work out in the office Gym or a good chinwag (meeting) at a local trendy cafe...
The BIG public money is being mismanaged all over over the Country, its all about creative accountancy, consultants,...see if you empoly a consultant to do what effectly is your job, then you are not accountable when the consultant gets it entirely up the shoot...oh well, and making cuts that kill common folk...sickening. We have kids coming into our DPU, sat in a cubicle smaller than a toilet for a recovery period of a hair past a freckle and out you go....and yet fat arse managers sit in their lazyboys twiddling there thumbs in enough room to contain at least 8 hospital beds comfortably....grizzle over.
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