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Post by sparrow on Apr 22, 2008 19:26:46 GMT 12
so far I have always been a labour voter but not this time, they have gone to far with all this PC crap, and taking the rights off parents - which in now way helps those who really need the help with abuse. so I have turned to national for one term, and a lot of labour voters should do the same, they need to be taught to listen to those who the are meant to represent. and if the nats cant listen then they should go the same. But even in this I know it will do no good, as they are all in it for themselves and not to make a better place for us all. tis a pity but they all seem like white collar crims to me. I'm politically apolitical and never really voted for the left or the right. I'm more of a centerist and quite often vote against a party than for someone else. I'd really like to vote for someone and this year I'm going to pick one of the smaller parties and vote for them. BTW: Scruffy in my world the fact someone WANTED to be a politician should automatically disqualify them from the profession! |
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Post by Lux on Apr 22, 2008 19:33:25 GMT 12
....in my world the fact someone WANTED to be a politician should automatically disqualify them from the profession! Agree!  |
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Post by sparrow on Apr 22, 2008 19:50:33 GMT 12
....in my world the fact someone WANTED to be a politician should automatically disqualify them from the profession! Agree! Interestingly enough ... psychological studies show psychopaths or people with psychopathic traits are over-represented in professions like politicians ...  |
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Post by scruffy1nz on Apr 22, 2008 20:07:38 GMT 12
BTW: Scruffy in my world the fact someone WANTED to be a politician should automatically disqualify them from the profession! agreed two |
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Post by scruffy1nz on Apr 22, 2008 20:08:18 GMT 12
....in my world the fact someone WANTED to be a politician should automatically disqualify them from the profession! Agree! Interestingly enough ... psychological studies show psychopaths or people with psychopathic traits are over-represented in professions like politicians ... shocking but agree could well be blimmin true |
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 22, 2008 20:58:39 GMT 12
Is my vote going to count this time
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 22, 2008 21:02:31 GMT 12
Ok just for the record I'm undecided I can't vote tried everything.
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Post by Lux on Apr 22, 2008 21:16:04 GMT 12
Try voting through internet explorer koko?
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 22, 2008 21:30:48 GMT 12
Ogay will try
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 22, 2008 21:42:16 GMT 12
that worked yay I count
Thanks lux but I do hate explorer too slow
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Post by Lux on Apr 22, 2008 21:44:13 GMT 12
Me too... But I see your vote |
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Post by lolly on Apr 22, 2008 21:55:16 GMT 12
I cant honestly say where my vote will go.......
I am unhappy with some labour policy..
But I am not prepared to see my vote go to a don key
when vote try to vote for the good of the country not what would be good for me personaly..
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Post by maire on Apr 23, 2008 10:04:24 GMT 12
Worked for me! J.K all the way. ;D Is it a physical attraction  Gawd knows its got nothing to do with his intellect. ;D Lol which part of his physique could anyone find attractive I wonder .... ;D ;D |
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Post by maire on Apr 23, 2008 10:16:34 GMT 12
so far I have always been a labour voter but not this time, they have gone to far with all this PC crap, and taking the rights off parents - which in now way helps those who really need the help with abuse. so I have turned to national for one term, and a lot of labour voters should do the same, they need to be taught to listen to those who the are meant to represent. and if the nats cant listen then they should go the same. But even in this I know it will do no good, as they are all in it for themselves and not to make a better place for us all. tis a pity but they all seem like white collar crims to me. You're correct there scruffy (the last paragraph above) they are all as bad as each other. Re the pc crap, don't forget National mps also voted for those pc type new legislations, so they aren't going to reverse them if they become govt. I don't think anything will change under a National govt, apart from the rich getting more so and the "underclass" growing even larger. I'm far too pessimistic about their capability at governing or their motives to ever consider voting for them ;D Better the devil you know ...... ;D |
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Post by darthman on Apr 23, 2008 10:49:59 GMT 12
I will not be voting for National firstly because of their policies but secondly because of their supporters. It's something I've covered frequently on NewZBlog but there is something clearly not right about them. They claim to be for free speech but will happily forgo yours if it does not support their own viewpoint.
For those who know me on Trademe I have always bought up the story of Helen Clark's visit to the University of Canterbury in 2005. What happened was Young National and other right wing groups got together and camped out on the steps where she was to be giving her speech and when she was up there they denied her the right to speak booing her, heckling her, getting in her face with loudspeakers and placards, yelling sexual slogans in her face which would quite frankly get one dismissed from any workplace in New Zealand for sexual harassment. Credit to the woman though, she stuck out there for 5 minutes trying to speak to us (a majority who wanted to hear what she had to say) before the DPS decided it was too dangerous for her to continue. It was a perfectly illustrated case of a small minority of haters and wreckers getting together to destroy something for a majority and there were angry letters to CANTA for weeks on end.
It is interesting to note that the parallel of a minority ruining something for a majority is where I stand when it comes to National. We all know Key is one for asset sales and it quite frankly makes me sick that he would potentially have the power to sell something that doesn't belong to him but all New Zealanders.
As a small postscript John Key has come to the university on many occasions and it is interesting to note he has not been caused problems at all by any group, I might have a problem with what he has to say but I won't deny him the opportunity to say it.
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Post by bottlecar on Apr 23, 2008 14:20:10 GMT 12
I don't agree Scruffy, if you mean the repeal of section 59. It's not about taking rights off parents. We totally support the repeal, and don't see it as PC crap. The fact that John Key supported the bill seems to be irrelevant to most.
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Post by maire on Apr 23, 2008 14:56:34 GMT 12
I will not be voting for National firstly because of their policies but secondly because of their supporters. It's something I've covered frequently on NewZBlog but there is something clearly not right about them. They claim to be for free speech but will happily forgo yours if it does not support their own viewpoint. For those who know me on Trademe I have always bought up the story of Helen Clark's visit to the University of Canterbury in 2005. What happened was Young National and other right wing groups got together and camped out on the steps where she was to be giving her speech and when she was up there they denied her the right to speak booing her, heckling her, getting in her face with loudspeakers and placards, yelling sexual slogans in her face which would quite frankly get one dismissed from any workplace in New Zealand for sexual harassment. Credit to the woman though, she stuck out there for 5 minutes trying to speak to us (a majority who wanted to hear what she had to say) before the DPS decided it was too dangerous for her to continue. It was a perfectly illustrated case of a small minority of haters and wreckers getting together to destroy something for a majority and there were angry letters to CANTA for weeks on end. It is interesting to note that the parallel of a minority ruining something for a majority is where I stand when it comes to National. We all know Key is one for asset sales and it quite frankly makes me sick that he would potentially have the power to sell something that doesn't belong to him but all New Zealanders. As a small postscript John Key has come to the university on many occasions and it is interesting to note he has not been caused problems at all by any group, I might have a problem with what he has to say but I won't deny him the opportunity to say it. Excellent post darth and yes I do remember you telling us (on TM) about that experience. Very similar to what frequently happens in Opinion, we get drowned out, abused, intimidated & ridiculed by a large majority of the more rabid of the rightwing members. Must be something they have learnt at the blogs of dpf and the Whalespoil. This latest rubbish, the supposed joke from Hillary Clinton, imo is the work of someone from either of those two blogs or the Infestedmate. It's got rightwing Opposition written all over it  |
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Post by Lux on Apr 23, 2008 19:22:37 GMT 12
I always thought that too, after reading some of the crap so called 'National Supporters' spout in TM darthman, I do know National Supporters who aren't rednecks though, so perhaps the trash just congregate there. Some advertisement they are over there, the party must cringe and cry when they see some of the stuff posted by their so called supporters. I do get that impression also that some National Supporters believe sheer bullying tactics will get them want they want when they want...though hasn't happened yet LOL. No offence to you scruffy I completely understand your need for exploration.  |
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Post by web06 on Apr 24, 2008 10:13:57 GMT 12
so far I have always been a labour voter but not this time, they have gone to far with all this PC crap, and taking the rights off parents - which in now way helps those who really need the help with abuse. so I have turned to national for one term, and a lot of labour voters should do the same, they need to be taught to listen to those who the are meant to represent. and if the nats cant listen then they should go the same. But even in this I know it will do no good, as they are all in it for themselves and not to make a better place for us all. tis a pity but they all seem like white collar crims to me. You're correct there scruffy (the last paragraph above) they are all as bad as each other. Re the pc crap, don't forget National mps also voted for those pc type new legislations, so they aren't going to reverse them if they become govt. I don't think anything will change under a National govt, apart from the rich getting more so and the "underclass" growing even larger. I'm far too pessimistic about their capability at governing or their motives to ever consider voting for them ;D Better the devil you know ...... ;D People are richer under Labour than National On July 21, 2006 the National Business Review (NBR) published its annual Rich List. The list contained the richest 187 New Zealand individuals and 51 families. This super-rich group had increased their wealth by just over $3.7 billion in the past year. That increase is as much as the entire wealth of the entire Rich List back in 1992. The people on the Rich List now have wealth estimated at over $35.1 billion. By the time the last National Party government went out of power in 1999, the Rich List had 135 individuals and 36 families, with wealth estimated at just over $9.8 billion, so the growth of the fantastically rich has speeded up under Labour. Under National in the 1990s it went up relatively modestly, and then after Labour entered government in 1999 it curved dramatically upward. The rise in the 2004-2005 year - when the super-rich got over $9 billion richer - makes the upward curve especially pronounced. Why is it that the rich do so well under Labour? |
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Post by hps on Apr 24, 2008 11:16:25 GMT 12
Perhaps because National is known to look after a very elite few, obviously under Labour the door has been opened to accommodate a few more prospective greedsters.
You have to take into account inflation over a 10 year period, and don't forget also the impact communication systems since the 1990's. Our very own TM creator for example.
In saying that, Labour, in my opinion, haven't been responsible enough when it comes to Social Welfare, we have middle income families now struggling to keep ahead of financial responsibilities, if this is so then how are our poorer families getting by. Labour should represent the average Joe Blow, the working man.
Helen has made it pretty clear in various statements that losing thousands of kiwi (blue collar) workers to OZ, isn't of much interest to her.
Lots of social unrest, crime, etc...etc...in the news everyday.
I don't believe National will for one moment represent the average joe blow, the working man. I think both major parties need a bloody good wake up. I say support the minor parties, show the monopolists that they can be brought down by the average man/woman.
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Post by wak on Apr 24, 2008 17:02:45 GMT 12
Worked for me! J.K all the way. ;D I always thought you were a lefty Wak? Nah, slightly right of centre for me. |
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Post by darthman on Apr 24, 2008 19:42:00 GMT 12
So people are willing to go ahead with asset sales, things we collectively own as tax payers just to punish a government?
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Post by bottlecar on Apr 24, 2008 19:51:12 GMT 12
Not me darth. I lived through the last couple of National govts. Can't see myself ever voting for them.
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Post by sparrow on Apr 24, 2008 23:50:06 GMT 12
I always thought you were a lefty Wak? Nah, slightly right of centre for me. How will organisations such as WR fare under JK? |
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Post by scruffy1nz on Apr 25, 2008 0:06:47 GMT 12
So people are willing to go ahead with asset sales, things we collectively own as tax payers just to punish a government? and you think this is a national thing only, your not in the real world, objects are not the only thing that can be sold. its not punishing its teaching, the government must listen to the people whom they represent, or its a dictatorship. simple really when 80% of the people are not happy with a plan then you don't rush it through, you find out why and sort through it. |
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