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Post by darthman on Apr 25, 2008 1:39:14 GMT 12
People quote this 80% but I'm wondering in what poll it came from. It's interesting to note on that issue that the petition signatures are now being audited and they've found thousands of invalid signatures already, they'll be continuing to audit this thing until Tuesday too!
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Post by scruffy1nz on Apr 25, 2008 13:31:34 GMT 12
People quote this 80% but I'm wondering in what poll it came from. It's interesting to note on that issue that the petition signatures are now being audited and they've found thousands of invalid signatures already, they'll be continuing to audit this thing until Tuesday too! yeps but who is doing the auditing and who is supervising it. most would not be surprised that its turning this way after it was rushed though without the public getting a proper say on it by the current dictatorship we currently have. |
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Post by darthman on Apr 25, 2008 20:33:51 GMT 12
The audit will be carried out by a crown statistician. You can whinge all you like about that but these guys are both morally and contractually obliged to be accurate. They'll most likely be checking the signatures against the electoral roll - I actually saw those carrying out the petition accepting signatures from people who looked younger than 18 so it will be interesting to see how many are counted as invalid.
You think NZ is a dictatorship? Mate I've travelled to several dictatorships in the last five years and this is clearly not one of them.
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Post by sparrow on Apr 25, 2008 21:32:17 GMT 12
I've said this elsewhere, but I may as well say it here too: the repeal of section 59 never affected us. We chose not to smack our kids and haven't - although like most parents - have probably been tempted! I thought there was a lot of room before repealing Sec. 59, such as making it clear that parents are not allowed to hit on the head, with weapons etc, etc, etc. Who I really blame for the repeal of Sec. 59 are the idiot people who sat on juries and allowed defendants who had beaten their kids with weapons to be acquitted on the grounds of "reasonable force". Using any weapon on a kid is not "reasonable force", nor is hitting your kid on the head etc. Juries, which are made up of ordinary New Zealand citizens, had ample opportunity to create legal precedents on what is and isn't acceptable within the bounds of Sec. 59. They didn't take it and the section was repealed.
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Post by darthman on Apr 25, 2008 21:49:17 GMT 12
The S59 debate was horribly exaggerated to the point where they were saying we'd need to build more prisons because "every" parent in New Zealand would be locked up. Didn't happen. About the only thing that has changed is people like the Timaru woman would've been penalised sooner (as she deserves!).
Going off on a slight tangent here but did anyone notice how the pro-smackers actually supported this woman? She hog tied this poor child and beat him with a riding crop (and then tried to sell it on Trademe!)! That's disgusting and had I been the judge I would have her locked up!
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Post by sparrow on Apr 25, 2008 22:28:01 GMT 12
The S59 debate was horribly exaggerated to the point where they were saying we'd need to build more prisons because "every" parent in New Zealand would be locked up. Didn't happen. About the only thing that has changed is people like the Timaru woman would've been penalised sooner (as she deserves!). Going off on a slight tangent here but did anyone notice how the pro-smackers actually supported this woman? She hog tied this poor child and beat him with a riding crop (and then tried to sell it on Trademe!)! That's disgusting and had I been the judge I would have her locked up! I think it's disgusting too, Darthman and then they're the same ones who bleat on, and on about violent people in society. |
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Post by scarpetta on Apr 26, 2008 0:53:15 GMT 12
Things that are important to me
Working for Families - not that we qualify
Home Loans for Low Income Families - didnt qualify for that either
Subsidised Medical Care
Kiwibank
Kiwisaver
Sue Bradfords Bill
Civil Union Bill
Values in schools
The first Autism Spectrum Disorder Guidelines in the world
No other party has delivered in this way.....
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Post by darthman on Apr 26, 2008 2:53:09 GMT 12
Not only that sparrow but whenever they see a child murder in New Zealand they try to attach the blame for it to Sue Bradford!
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Post by herodotus on Apr 26, 2008 12:09:46 GMT 12
National are the party of exploitation. they will promise anything to get the chance to exercise their proclivities. in the the final analysis they just wan to be the BOSS!
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Post by scruffy1nz on Apr 26, 2008 16:13:29 GMT 12
hmmm maybe if everyone stopped doing the blame game and actually worked at solving the problems with abuse then the there would be no stupid laws brought in, and as already stated the law was enuff before the repel, its was just not enforced correctly by namby pamby judges and to some extent jurys which were not given all the facts, and were led by the judges as to what was allowable in there to make the decision on. if ya get what i mean
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Post by scruffy1nz on Apr 26, 2008 16:18:54 GMT 12
National are the party of exploitation. they will promise anything to get the chance to exercise their proclivities. in the the final analysis they just wan to be the BOSS! and what does this achieve - a big nothing my complaint fior labour is not listening to the people who they represent, would be the same if it was national. or any other party the problem is these so called better than the rest of us - do not know better just think they do, and have very little common sense to go with there so called intelligence. most I have seen and heard of are all in it for them selves and not for the betterment of anyone else, they may well have started out right but got caught up by greed like all the rest. |
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Post by Lux on Apr 26, 2008 16:41:56 GMT 12
Actually National aren't promising anything, shame they haven't got the integrity to try getting in on merit rather than relying on the dis-satisfaction of the masses with the current Government.
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Post by herodotus on Apr 26, 2008 16:45:09 GMT 12
I hear national are going to increase services and give everyone a 10% guaranteed pay rise!
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Post by darthman on Apr 26, 2008 16:48:02 GMT 12
And National do care for the majority? Time and time again they've shown this not to be the case - through the Bolger and Shipley years, through Muldoon if you are old enough to remember him. National have a clear cut agenda and the nasty bits we have seen of it so far are only the tip of the iceberg. The reason John Key won't release any policy is not because Labour will steal it but rather that it will sink him.
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Post by Lux on Apr 26, 2008 16:50:49 GMT 12
I hear national are going to increase services and give everyone a 10% guaranteed pay rise!  you must have heard that in TM Opines of the bovines ;D |
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Post by darthman on Apr 26, 2008 16:52:44 GMT 12
There's another thing I'll rant and rave about: Why hasn't anyone cottoned onto the fact that the majority of posters in there are card carrying National and ACT members?
I'm all for freedom of speech and such but when you have a pack of drones reposting National press releases and passing it off as their own opinion it starts to become really dishonest.
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Post by Lux on Apr 26, 2008 17:01:59 GMT 12
I think alot have darthman - I also think that your typical laborite hasn't got the TIME or the inclination to face a tirade of cowpoo should they bother to voice their differences of opinion... and those that do, good on them for having the patience.  |
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Post by herodotus on Apr 26, 2008 17:17:15 GMT 12
In my life I have met some repulsive and loathsome types but nothing like the scum that inhabit that place. they have to go there because no one else decent will accept them!
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Post by sparrow on Apr 26, 2008 17:30:46 GMT 12
In my life I have met some repulsive and loathsome types but nothing like the scum that inhabit that place. they have to go there because no one else decent will accept them! Yes: the internet is friend to those sorts of people because it creates a necessary distance between face to face encounters and the imagined cyber personality. |
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Post by darthman on Apr 26, 2008 18:13:10 GMT 12
Just a bunch of well rounded losers at life really taking their problems out on the government.
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Post by sparrow on Apr 26, 2008 18:16:49 GMT 12
Just a bunch of well rounded losers at life really taking their problems out on the government. Oh but some of them are so well travelled darth. Just ask them: they'll tell you over and over again. They'll also tell you how successful they are at business etc and how wealthy they are - yet they spend all day and night on the internet ... |
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Post by Lux on Apr 26, 2008 18:27:13 GMT 12
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Post by darthman on Apr 26, 2008 18:59:33 GMT 12
Well travelled?  |
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Post by sparrow on Apr 26, 2008 19:16:00 GMT 12
Well travelled? Yes. Some have been to Brazil and Africa. BTW: Did they mention they've been to Brazil and Africa? ;D |
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Post by Lux on Apr 26, 2008 19:18:00 GMT 12
some are just well travelled...lol...  |
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