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Post by sparrow on Apr 26, 2008 20:03:32 GMT 12
some are just well travelled...lol...  And some are just complete fantasists. ;D |
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Post by bingbong on Apr 26, 2008 20:25:21 GMT 12
[Yes. Some have been to Brazil and Africa. BTW: Did they mention they've been to Brazil and Africa? sparrow ] [some are just well travelled...lol... lux] [And some are just complete fantasists. sparrow] YOU BOTH ARE TERRIBLE--LY FUNNY!!!!!! MAKES ME SMILE AS THOUGH I HAVE JUST WON THE NOBLE PEACE PRIZE. |
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Post by sparrow on Apr 26, 2008 20:27:06 GMT 12
[Yes. Some have been to Brazil and Africa. BTW: Did they mention they've been to Brazil and Africa? sparrow ] [some are just well travelled...lol... lux] [And some are just complete fantasists. sparrow] YOU BOTH ARE TERRIBLE--LY FUNNY!!!!!! MAKES ME SMILE AS THOUGH I HAVE JUST WON THE NOBLE PEACE PRIZE. Now ... what we all need is some cake (ref: Little Britain). ;D |
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 27, 2008 10:19:44 GMT 12
Well NZ politics is in line with international politics boring, empty promises, thumb print on the disadvantaged but a classic case of give with one hand and rip it out with the other.
I'm a little like you scruffy in terms of PCism some have gone over the top where it's become patronising and that irks me more. Basic 'rights' need to come back into play and politician need to get real and really get in touch with the people. yeah, like that's going to happen.
Lux I agree with you we need the little parties.
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Post by Lux on Apr 27, 2008 21:03:07 GMT 12
I don't see it as pcism but putting band aids on festering sores, a cop out, imo, rather than addressing the underlying problems.
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 27, 2008 21:43:19 GMT 12
and that's true also
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Post by darthman on Apr 27, 2008 22:27:42 GMT 12
I honestly don't see any of this "rabid pcism" in New Zealand nor do I see the "pc brigade" storming down the road. Perhaps I just see it as progress when we legislate against assault of our children (yes, a smack is assault no matter how you dress it up in my opinion) or get good, sound information out there on healthy eating and exercise.
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Post by Lux on Apr 27, 2008 22:38:58 GMT 12
Kids got plenty of exercise and good food, when they had parents who could afford to live on one income and one was able to stay home and take care of them, and walk with them, take them to parks, have picnics, and feed them hearty home cooked meals. Before having lots of things...people valued family, it seems to be the other way around now. How does the general population measure success these days? Its all about capitalisation and the downside of that.
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Post by scruffy1nz on Apr 27, 2008 23:29:07 GMT 12
I honestly don't see any of this "rabid pcism" in New Zealand nor do I see the "pc brigade" storming down the road. Perhaps I just see it as progress when we legislate against assault of our children (yes, a smack is assault no matter how you dress it up in my opinion) or get good, sound information out there on healthy eating and exercise. sorry But I Believe that a smack is not assault when used to discipline a child, and in my mind is used as a last resort, and which I believe is what most (read 80%) of real parents believe as well, I know for me I don't like smacking, and will try anything else before resorting to it, Or would have, now I cant do anything and the results are kids running the show, and doing anything they want with no consequences,and it will only get worse with time not better. Kids got plenty of exercise and good food, when they had parents who could afford to live on one income and one was able to stay home and take care of them, and walk with them, take them to parks, have picnics, and feed them hearty home cooked meals. Before having lots of things...people valued family, it seems to be the other way around now. How does the general population measure success these days? Its all about capitalisation and the downside of that. totally agree, thats whats killed this country, one person (read whether mother or father) should stay at home to raise children correctly, everything is about money and getting more money or things (so they appear better than those around them) and with no thought to those who are squashed/hurt/stolen from to get ahead for themselves. |
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 28, 2008 9:02:34 GMT 12
I honestly don't see any of this "rabid pcism" in New Zealand nor do I see the "pc brigade" storming down the road. Perhaps I just see it as progress when we legislate against assault of our children (yes, a smack is assault no matter how you dress it up in my opinion) or get good, sound information out there on healthy eating and exercise. Sorry Darthman I am faced with patronising PC'ism everytime I walk into meetings with Govt and academic agencies and PI communities. S59 is not pcism I think it hastely put together. My daughter's friend is that chap that's facing a court hearing for allegedly abusing his children by the bridge of remembrance. He was preventing his child from being killed. The ex-school teacher that narked on him and woman police officer, saw the slap but missed the repeated warnings from the father to be careful they didn't see the child initially hit the 'stop railing' on his bike and they obviously didn't see that he was protecting his children from being hit by the mad drivers in Christchurch. They threw S59 at him and charged him. This dad opted to stay at home with his children while his partner works, the kids are lovely natured toddlers and want for nothing. Hmm well charge him for allegedly assaulting his child. So smack in this case is assult? |
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 28, 2008 9:16:07 GMT 12
Kids got plenty of exercise and good food, when they had parents who could afford to live on one income and one was able to stay home and take care of them, and walk with them, take them to parks, have picnics, and feed them hearty home cooked meals. Before having lots of things...people valued family, it seems to be the other way around now. How does the general population measure success these days? Its all about capitalisation and the downside of that. totally agree, thats whats killed this country, one person (read whether mother or father) should stay at home to raise children correctly, everything is about money and getting more money or things (so they appear better than those around them) and with no thought to those who are squashed/hurt/stolen from to get ahead for themselves. [/quote] Absolutely Lux and Scruffy The old fella and I were determined that one parent was always at home when the kids got home from school. We felt if was good enough for us it was good enough for our kids and it's paid off in our case. It is all about capitalism - bigger and better imo all for show. |
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Post by darthman on Apr 29, 2008 11:43:25 GMT 12
My karma might take a hit from this as I'm going to be rather blunt here but this is a topic I do feel very strongly about.
I love my country but if John Key comes to power I really don't want to hang around to see what privatisation does to our society.
I remember seeing the news footage from Sicko of the chaos in the hospitals in the weeks after, the CCTV footage of a dying woman dropped off at a homeless shelter, the woman who had lost her husband after his health insurance company refused to pay for his bone marrow transplant claiming it was an "experimental treatment".
I don't want to see our schools sold off to wealthy international conglomerates who strip classrooms of their teachers, their resources and their groundskeepers (they're always the first to go).
I don't want to see our country become the sweat shop of the south pacific (after reading an interview in which he said he would love to see wages DROP) nor do I want to see our system become more like Singapore like John Key has said on several occasions (now there's a country that has legislated against freedom of speech via strict libel laws to protect the rich and has a disgusting human rights record - I get the chills whenever I am forced to travel through that despot backwater!)
I don't trust this man - he has released no policy, flip-flops, forgets where he stands on the issues and seems to have no ambition for this country. In my opinion he is taking a holiday from currency speculation so he can further his CV and help a few mates out on the way by coming back to privatise and liberalise a country he has had nothing to do with for years.
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Post by herodotus on Apr 29, 2008 14:10:28 GMT 12
karma schmarma...key is an operator and we are all peasants in his scheme to make a turn on the Kiwi franchise...wonder who he bought it off?
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 29, 2008 19:21:45 GMT 12
I think the Maori Party have a hui here this weekend might go and have a look see
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Post by maire on Apr 29, 2008 21:09:38 GMT 12
Sorry Darthman I am faced with patronising PC'ism everytime I walk into meetings with Govt and academic agencies and PI communities. S59 is not pcism I think it hastely put together. My daughter's friend is that chap that's facing a court hearing for allegedly abusing his children by the bridge of remembrance. He was preventing his child from being killed. The ex-school teacher that narked on him and woman police officer, saw the slap but missed the repeated warnings from the father to be careful they didn't see the child initially hit the 'stop railing' on his bike and they obviously didn't see that he was protecting his children from being hit by the mad drivers in Christchurch. They threw S59 at him and charged him. This dad opted to stay at home with his children while his partner works, the kids are lovely natured toddlers and want for nothing. Hmm well charge him for allegedly assaulting his child. So smack in this case is assult? An excellent example of why we should never believe the rubbish the media throw out as "truth". Nor should we believe the "truths" we see on Opinionated TM mbs either. I hate to admit it, but I did get sucked into believing that guy had done more than was being admitted. But if I remember correctly, I was more against him taking such young children, on bikes, onto a busy street. |
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 30, 2008 5:57:16 GMT 12
An excellent example of why we should never believe the rubbish the media throw out as "truth". Nor should we believe the "truths" we see on Opinionated TM mbs either. I hate to admit it, but I did get sucked into believing that guy had done more than was being admitted. But if I remember correctly, I was more against him taking such young children, on bikes, onto a busy street. It's not the wisest of action with kids on bikes near busy streets but the incident happened on the zig zag ramp on the bridge and normally the kids walk their tricycles down but not this time. The little darling. |
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 30, 2008 11:35:23 GMT 12
My karma might take a hit from this as I'm going to be rather blunt here but this is a topic I do feel very strongly about. I love my country but if John Key comes to power I really don't want to hang around to see what privatisation does to our society. I remember seeing the news footage from Sicko of the chaos in the hospitals in the weeks after, the CCTV footage of a dying woman dropped off at a homeless shelter, the woman who had lost her husband after his health insurance company refused to pay for his bone marrow transplant claiming it was an "experimental treatment". I don't want to see our schools sold off to wealthy international conglomerates who strip classrooms of their teachers, their resources and their groundskeepers (they're always the first to go). I don't want to see our country become the sweat shop of the south pacific (after reading an interview in which he said he would love to see wages DROP) nor do I want to see our system become more like Singapore like John Key has said on several occasions (now there's a country that has legislated against freedom of speech via strict libel laws to protect the rich and has a disgusting human rights record - I get the chills whenever I am forced to travel through that despot backwater!) I don't trust this man - he has released no policy, flip-flops, forgets where he stands on the issues and seems to have no ambition for this country. In my opinion he is taking a holiday from currency speculation so he can further his CV and help a few mates out on the way by coming back to privatise and liberalise a country he has had nothing to do with for years. Darthman what you describe is a bit extreme. We've already been exposed to privatisation. (State assets.) What really erks me is the devolution of social responsibility by all governments in power and forcing the community workers to pick up the responsibilities for pittance. NZ is lucky that we have dedicated Community Workers. (Slave Labour) I've always been one for 'clean up you own back yard before meddling in someone else backyard.' Yeah it's a tragedy massive breaches of human rights, starving children but what about the breeches of human rights and our children living under the poverty line here is this wonderful place called NZ? I know give the politicians another pay rise to debate the issues for another 100 years. Karma schmarma bite me smite me |
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Post by herodotus on Apr 30, 2008 20:22:40 GMT 12
oops just lost two karmas...but it looks like this to me. National in the 1990's emphasised self regulation (hahahaha) and post modern scepticism became the 'thing' in schools. now it is almost impossible to turn this around without massive action and a clear understanding of what needs to be done. bitching about politicians just wont do it
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Post by kokonutwoman on Apr 30, 2008 20:34:22 GMT 12
Yeah but it's good for the soul ha ha ha
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Post by herodotus on Apr 30, 2008 21:47:14 GMT 12
well thats ok then...hehehehe...gimme back my karma dharma
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Post by hps on May 1, 2008 10:03:55 GMT 12
My karma might take a hit from this as I'm going to be rather blunt here but this is a topic I do feel very strongly about. I love my country but if John Key comes to power I really don't want to hang around to see what privatisation does to our society. I remember seeing the news footage from Sicko of the chaos in the hospitals in the weeks after, the CCTV footage of a dying woman dropped off at a homeless shelter, the woman who had lost her husband after his health insurance company refused to pay for his bone marrow transplant claiming it was an "experimental treatment". I don't want to see our schools sold off to wealthy international conglomerates who strip classrooms of their teachers, their resources and their groundskeepers (they're always the first to go). I don't want to see our country become the sweat shop of the south pacific (after reading an interview in which he said he would love to see wages DROP) nor do I want to see our system become more like Singapore like John Key has said on several occasions (now there's a country that has legislated against freedom of speech via strict libel laws to protect the rich and has a disgusting human rights record - I get the chills whenever I am forced to travel through that despot backwater!) I don't trust this man - he has released no policy, flip-flops, forgets where he stands on the issues and seems to have no ambition for this country. In my opinion he is taking a holiday from currency speculation so he can further his CV and help a few mates out on the way by coming back to privatise and liberalise a country he has had nothing to do with for years. Darth, what do you think about Wellington's Electrics infrastructure being sold off? What are the long term benefits (if there are any) for the average New Zealander? And what in your opinion, should the revenue from such a sale be used for? |
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Post by kokonutwoman on May 1, 2008 16:21:40 GMT 12
Good question hps. I would also like to know that views are on the Treaty issues and migrant workers.
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Post by Lux on May 4, 2008 21:55:48 GMT 12
I don't think migrant workers are looked after by the Government and too many employers treat them like crap, mind you thats a NZ legacy and has been going on forever and a day.
I have a friend in immigration who works overseas to ensure migrants are getting a fair deal upon entering the Country to work, it is her job to access information regarding NZ employers. She told employers will recruit overseas by offering to pay airfares one way, this has to be paid back. She checks through contracts to make sure they are NZ employment law abiding.
Mind you thats just one location, still a lot of migrant workers being treated like slaves in this Country.
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Post by kokonutwoman on May 4, 2008 23:22:28 GMT 12
The week I was away the Trade Unions held a conference at Lincoln and migrant workers was hot on the agenda. From what can gather their plight is not dissimilar to migrant workers in the States however the States offer more benefits.
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Post by Lux on Oct 29, 2008 21:19:12 GMT 12
Has anyone changed their minds???  |
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