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Post by treeman on Feb 3, 2009 18:13:13 GMT 12
Whatever you say sparrow. i am done argueing with you
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Post by sparrow on Feb 3, 2009 18:25:59 GMT 12
Whatever you say sparrow. i am done argueing with you I don't view this as an argument - just a discussion and obviously, a difference of opinion. Take, for example, the subject matter of this thread. Why haven't the Police or the Government done anything before? This has been an ongoing issue but there hasn't been much political will until now. Boy racers, hooligans, yahoos etc are criminals and as the majority of them will come from white, middle class backgrounds, the Police have done little but wring their hands until now. An infamous case down here that got a lot of publicity and little action involved some nice, white, middle-class boys - one of which was the head boy of quite a prestigious high school. I'm pretty sure the Police have taken the attitude that it's all a bit of a laugh and they'll grow out of it, and become responsible adults. Except these individuals break laws every time they get into their cars, but the Police, until now, seemed loathe to do anything about it. |
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Post by toerag on Feb 3, 2009 18:33:29 GMT 12
Whatever you say sparrow. i am done argueing with you nice response treeman...not sounds like my 14yr neice yes the judge or jury past sentencing that we agree on however there is also such thing as prejudicial evidence presented by the prosecutors |
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Post by treeman on Feb 3, 2009 18:36:10 GMT 12
Perhaps I was not clear. You are telling me the job i did for seven years was done corruptly based on a burglury and the police that handled your case and written info by lawyers and people who have never done the job.
I can respectfully say you are talking through your arse and as such i wont be bothering with this discussion again.
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Post by sparrow on Feb 3, 2009 18:45:49 GMT 12
Perhaps I was not clear. You are telling me the job i did for seven years was done corruptly based on a burglury and the police that handled your case and written info by lawyers and people who have never done the job. I can respectfully say you are talking through your arse and as such i wont be bothering with this discussion again. Not at all. That was an example to contradict the argument you made about Police procedures and prosecution. The rest of your post I am unsure about. The "arse" bit I get, but not the lawyer reference etc. Many people do a wide range of jobs, treeman. Some do them very badly. |
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Post by toerag on Feb 3, 2009 18:47:05 GMT 12
Perhaps I was not clear. You are telling me the job i did for seven years was done corruptly based on a burglury and the police that handled your case and written info by lawyers and people who have never done the job. I can respectfully say you are talking through your arse and as such i wont be bothering with this discussion again. Well my arse is rather intelligent and thanks you for the compliment. Any may haps it is better that you cease your line of discussion ;D |
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Post by sparrow on Feb 3, 2009 18:47:28 GMT 12
Well sparrow Thank you for your asessment of the NZ Police force. The comps send an i car to a job, the police officers do not decide which job to attend. So one would presume the next time you are burgled you wont bother calling the police.Perhaps the mongrel mob or black power will recover your stolen goods for you. I'd be happy to oblige there, treeman. I would also like a refund off my, my husband and children's tax for services rendered, but not given. Why on earth would I go to the Mongrel Mob and Black Power for protection? I think this is symptomatic of your binary thinking or is it an admittance that the Police share similarities with other gangs? I'm not sure what you are advocating here. |
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Post by Lux on Feb 3, 2009 19:19:15 GMT 12
This thread reminds me of TM opines of the bovines...started regarding white power extremists setting up camp, ends up being about those 'bad Maori' what a farkin joke!
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Post by treeman on Feb 3, 2009 19:21:51 GMT 12
We are not all bad lux, but them pakehas are. if you find a good one shoot em before he goes bad ;D
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Post by Lux on Feb 3, 2009 19:29:58 GMT 12
that makes no sense treeman, if you are going to discuss and debate topics here, try to get a clue first ok?
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Post by treeman on Feb 3, 2009 19:40:55 GMT 12
Well as you accept as fact opinions from posters i naturally thought you would accept sarcasm.
It has been infered that because i was a cop I am racist towards maori.Therefore racist towards myself as i have maori blood. It has been stated that police look for maori to pin crime on by sparrow. teraupraha is blaming the treaty o waitangi. yet you have the audacity to till me to get a clue.
What about people taking responsibility for their own behaviour. Nobody forces maori,pakeha PI or anybody else to break the law yet sparrow suggests police overlook all other races bar maori and somehow produce evidence to convict them. Nevermind the fact that the defence does not refute the evidence or furnish proof of innocence. GET A CLUE YOURSELVES
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Post by sparrow on Feb 3, 2009 20:20:24 GMT 12
Well as you accept as fact opinions from posters i naturally thought you would accept sarcasm. It has been infered that because i was a cop I am racist towards maori.Therefore racist towards myself as i have maori blood. It has been stated that police look for maori to pin crime on by sparrow. teraupraha is blaming the treaty o waitangi. yet you have the audacity to till me to get a clue. What about people taking responsibility for their own behaviour. Nobody forces maori,pakeha PI or anybody else to break the law yet sparrow suggests police overlook all other races bar maori and somehow produce evidence to convict them. Nevermind the fact that the defence does not refute the evidence or furnish proof of innocence. GET A CLUE YOURSELVES Untrue and I've written in plain, coherent and cogent English. I've said that Police are more likely to arrest and charge Maori than non-Maori. In fact, 3 x more likely. All this has been written above. I understand now why the Police may have some communication issues. Perhaps a basic course in comprehension may seek to resolve some of these problems. |
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Post by sparrow on Feb 3, 2009 20:22:50 GMT 12
This thread reminds me of TM opines of the bovines...started regarding white power extremists setting up camp, ends up being about those 'bad Maori' what a farkin joke! Absolutely. Basic dissembling. It's like pointing out but Miss, Mr etc them over there are so much worse. It is a peculiar weakness in NZ social commentary - as is the continued use of biometric factions of blood to denote some kind of connection to Maori, the unacknowledgment of inverted (and by extension, introverted) racism, as well as basic comprehension of issues, the differences between matters of fact, material points and opinions. |
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Post by Lux on Feb 3, 2009 20:28:22 GMT 12
This thread reminds me of TM opines of the bovines...started regarding white power extremists setting up camp, ends up being about those 'bad Maori' what a farkin joke! Absolutely. Basic dissembling. It's like pointing out but Miss, Mr etc them over there are so much worse. It is a peculiar weakness in NZ social commentary - as is the continued use of biometric factions of blood to denote some kind of connection to Maori, the unacknowledgment of inverted (and by extension, introverted) racism, as well as basic comprehension of issues, the differences between matters of fact, material points and opinions. Absolutely, its embarrassing! |
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Post by treeman on Feb 3, 2009 20:29:41 GMT 12
What do you do for a living sparrow?
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Post by toerag on Feb 3, 2009 20:32:00 GMT 12
Well as you accept as fact opinions from posters i naturally thought you would accept sarcasm. It has been infered that because i was a cop I am racist towards maori.Therefore racist towards myself as i have maori blood. It has been stated that police look for maori to pin crime on by sparrow. teraupraha is blaming the treaty o waitangi. yet you have the audacity to till me to get a clue. What about people taking responsibility for their own behaviour. Nobody forces maori,pakeha PI or anybody else to break the law yet sparrow suggests police overlook all other races bar maori and somehow produce evidence to convict them. Nevermind the fact that the defence does not refute the evidence or furnish proof of innocence. GET A CLUE YOURSELVES  |
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Post by sparrow on Feb 3, 2009 21:00:33 GMT 12
What do you do for a living sparrow? Live. |
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Post by terauparaha on Feb 3, 2009 21:42:06 GMT 12
Well as you accept as fact opinions from posters i naturally thought you would accept sarcasm. It has been infered that because i was a cop I am racist towards maori.Therefore racist towards myself as i have maori blood. It has been stated that police look for maori to pin crime on by sparrow. teraupraha is blaming the treaty o waitangi. yet you have the audacity to till me to get a clue. What about people taking responsibility for their own behaviour. Nobody forces maori,pakeha PI or anybody else to break the law yet sparrow suggests police overlook all other races bar maori and somehow produce evidence to convict them. Nevermind the fact that the defence does not refute the evidence or furnish proof of innocence. GET A CLUE YOURSELVES Look bodgie, I've seen your opinions about the Maori culture and race for what? 4 years now? I'll bloody well judge you how I see fit. How many times have you tried to mend your ways now? I reckon 32. You've made the mistake of joining up here without checking out the posting history. You won't get far with your bigoted views against Maoridom here. I see that you've been rejected again by mb2. Pity that |
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Post by terauparaha on Feb 3, 2009 22:05:55 GMT 12
We are not all bad lux, but them pakehas are. if you find a good one shoot em before he goes bad ;D No one has ever said or implied here that Pakeha people are all bad. Anyone with half a brain knows that there are bad eggs in all races and creeds. You just happen to be a bad Pakeha egg yourself bodgie. I'd still like your reply to my question. Where is your proof that Tame Iti's elders are ashamed of him? This is the main crux of the problem here folks. The superior thinking Pakeha in our society actually think that they can decide for Maoridom on their behalf what Maoridom as a whole likes or dislikes. Even without asking them. The worst thing they come out with in my opinion is the old "why don't Maori leaders stand up and take responsibility for all murders commited by Maori? " or "why don't Maori leaders do something about it" Has anyone here ever seen the Queen of England make a speech on behalf of all British descendants every time a murder is committed by one of them? Funny how the rules are different for them isn't it? And many Pakeha say that Maori are the ones who want separatism whilst at the same time calling for Maori to do something themselves about their problems? They don't want to solve all the problems as a country. They want Maori to because Pakeha don't ever kill or steal or rape or kiddy fiddle. Yeah Right. Until we get a govt that attacks NZ's social problems as a country and stops letting our society blame Maori, then don't expect any Improvements in our social problems such as violence. Like I say, I don't mean all Pakeha. I mean the ignorant ones and don't worry, there are no doubt plenty of ignorant Maori regarding this stuff too. I'm just yet to meet an ignorant Maori on any message board about these issues. |
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Post by terauparaha on Feb 3, 2009 22:20:43 GMT 12
So in essence what you are saying is it is all the police and the pakehas fault. Okay, lucky i am not a cop anymore, I will shoot down to blood bank and get them to take out my 7/8 pakeha blood and top up my maori blood. But i warrant that wont be good enough for you guys either. Does your blood pass the screening? Interesting and surprising. Like all peoples to have been colonised, many Maori too have problems related with it. For starters I could have been born into much wealth but this was taken away by firstly British Crown laws and then NZ govt laws dating right back to the signing of the treaty but also sadly very recent in our history as well. Same for many Maori today. A person born into poverty is much more likely to steal than someone who has it all when they're born. Living in poverty also leads to social problems because of the financial pressures on the family unit to survive. Of course there are many other reasons but I won't get too carried away. This will give you a big enough headache anyway. |
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Post by treeman on Feb 4, 2009 4:33:34 GMT 12
So Sparrow what will fix the problem? From your massive experience of life.
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Post by sparrow on Feb 4, 2009 7:55:29 GMT 12
So Sparrow what will fix the problem? From your massive experience of life. There are a raft of things that could be done, but the first one is admitting there is an inherent bias - no ifs, no buts - and then developing strategies from there. |
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Post by toerag on Feb 4, 2009 8:19:11 GMT 12
correct
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Post by treeman on Feb 4, 2009 17:41:38 GMT 12
Interesting,bias eh that goes both ways.
Its a fool who doesnt learn by experience.
How many Nia Glassons have to perish before the blame for the behaviour is laid at the feet of the perps.
Oh of course it the pakehas fault for little nia dying. if they hadnt invented the clothesline and tumble dryer.....
Sparrow you are obviously educated its a pity you are so ignorant and arrogant.
Go to a police station and ask the sergeant or watch house officer if you can go for a ride along and see first hand what it is like out there.That applies to all you people who think its one sided.
I will wait with baited breath to hear the reasons why you wont. But you and I KNOW the REAL REASON is you are afraid you will be proved WRONG
Smite away to your hearts content. I will take it as pay back .Knowing full well that you know I am right. Thats the only way you can try and make yourself feel better
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Post by naki on Feb 4, 2009 17:52:28 GMT 12
How many Nia Glassons have to perish before the blame for the behaviour is laid at the feet of the perps. One. The perps were caught, tried, and jailed. |
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