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Post by misilon on Jun 2, 2007 20:59:53 GMT 12
so sorry lux,...
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Post by sparrow on Jun 2, 2007 21:01:54 GMT 12
(hey hey! i may not moderate this board, but I will tell you when it's getting out of hand! this thread is not here for us to put each other down! it's here for us to share our ideas! watch yourselves! be respectful of one another! or you and your posts will be removed!) Well said. What is it with religious threads that bring the "grrrrr" out. No personal attacks people. Play the ball and not the person. Posts attacking people personally will be deleted. I'm not getting into the "who" started it first. Everyone is going to start afresh in this topic from "now". |
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Post by tormore on Jun 2, 2007 21:09:09 GMT 12
there are so many others who may be able to answer your queries for you ,..Im not the only religious person on here or anywhere ,..others will be happy to help you im sure,..not me ,...no more,... If you look back over the thread, I didn't ask you to, merely offered terau some alternative ideas that are up with current thinking. |
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Post by misilon on Jun 2, 2007 21:12:55 GMT 12
its ok Im leaving u to it ,..
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Post by sparrow on Jun 2, 2007 21:37:00 GMT 12
Misi: Come on back here.
Seriously - you're lucky I put rugby watching above my moderating duties ... Please play the issue and not the person.
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 2, 2007 21:47:27 GMT 12
Look Guys
Can't you all be more like me and be Placid?
Sheesh I don't Know
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 2, 2007 21:58:19 GMT 12
Don't you worry about it Tormore. You did no wrong here. You gave very good information towards the debate here.
I did see misilon say that she wanted a well known atheist from TM to join Oasis' site a couple of weeks ago so what is the problem here?
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Post by misilon on Jun 2, 2007 22:47:39 GMT 12
Im here terau ,...oops see ya apopo no more religion fer me ,..
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Post by misilon on Jun 2, 2007 22:48:18 GMT 12
Ill leave you to the others oohhh! ciao
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 2, 2007 22:54:23 GMT 12
Oh OK misilon
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Post by misilon on Jun 3, 2007 8:55:24 GMT 12
Te Raup, it is thought by many scholars that the first real monotheistic prophet was zoroaster,dated by some as far back as 6000 years before christ...... or 600 yrs the source of your information pointed out Zoroastrianism. Ahura Mazda knokwn to the medes and persians as the creator of heaven, earth, and man, A characteristic feature of Zoroastrianism is dualism, that is, the belief in two independent divine beings, one good and the other evil. Ahura Mazda was viewed as the creator of all good things, whereas Angra Mainyu was regarded as the creator of all that is evil. It was thought that the latter could bring about earthquakes, storms, disease, and death as well as stir up unrest and war. Lesser spirits were believed to assist these two gods in carrying out their functions. Although he may have been a Zoroastrian, King Cyrus was named in Bible prophecy as the one appointed by Jehovah to overthrow Babylon and bring about the release of the Jewish captives. (Isa 44:26–45:7; compare Pr 21:1.) Following Babylon’s destruction in 539 B.C.E., the Israelites came under the control of the Zoroastrian Medo-Persians. Zend-Avesta, the sacred Zoroastrian writings, actually contain prayers to fire, to water, and to planets as well as to the light of the sun, moon, and stars. Fire is even referred to as the son of Ahura Mazda. |
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Post by misilon on Jun 3, 2007 9:09:56 GMT 12
couldnt resist that one
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Post by queenie on Jun 3, 2007 9:14:53 GMT 12
I think you would find that many muslims put their own interpretation on the Koran, and going the full hog can justify stoning to death a 16yr old girl for answering back to a judge.. beating there wife, not providing education for women.. and then there is what we would call the teriorism.... You have just picked out the very worst things that a small percentage of Muslims do. I just respect that they fully believe in their religion and don't just go to church maybe once per week and then think that they are good Christians. Christianity is just a convenience for many many people. Just on your comments regards women and education. Are there any Muslim women living in the Western world who don't get educated? I think not. In their own countries, I actually wonder what they think of education for men and women fullstop. One of the many bullcrap reasons for Tony Blair and G.W.Bush going into Iraq is that they are Christian and that God told them to and Look at Iraq now. Worse off than before. yes i picked out some bad points, but my example is to show that these things do happen and many have their own interpretation of the koran.. muslims in the western world, as you put, don't have the ability to inforce the way they live as in Iran, although they do try, and it is all a matter of experience as well, i live close to pockets of muslim communities, and yes they do tend to live together in certain areas, and some of these areas are 'no go' areas if you are white, and that is a fact, postmen can't deliver the mail, they get beaten up! i know of one woman passing through had stones thrown at her, and these are actual facts, even in my insular world, not stories off the news (not that they would tell these stories) but people i actually know. There has been an interesting documentary where they took hidden cameras into a mosque, and filmed what was being preached.. mind boggling, basically it was non muslims are dirt and deserve to die, it was a while ago but if you want i will try and find a link for you so you know i'm not making this up.. so would you call this going the full hog? |
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 3, 2007 9:50:00 GMT 12
Nope, That is not the full hog that I meant. I meant that they believe in it fully and that they pray so many times per day and stuff like that. Most of the Christian World except for a few like JWs only use their religion as a convenience to suit their lifestyle. Christians are Capitalistic and Materialistic which I didn't think was preached by Jesus himself.
I would bet that there are Christian sectors who have and still do preach that the Muslim is evil too.
The Western leaders ruling and controlling the world with Nuclear bombs and economics state that they are doing what their Christian God wants them to do. Blair and Bush for starters and Iran is at the top of their hit list right now. Funny that the Muslim and Communist countries are at the top of their hit lists.
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Post by misilon on Jun 3, 2007 18:31:49 GMT 12
Islâm—The Way to God by Submission
“IN THE name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.”
“Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds:
The Beneficent, the Merciful:
Owner of the Day of Judgement.
Thee (alone) we worship;
Thee (alone) we ask for help.
Show us the straight path:
The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.”—The Qur’ân, surah 1:1-7, MMP.
These words form Al-Fâtihah (“The Opening”), the first chapter, or surah, of the Muslim holy book, the Holy Qur’ân, or Koran.
Since more than 1 in 5 of the world’s population is Muslim and devout Muslims repeat these verses more than once in each of their five daily prayers, these must be among the most recited words on earth
Revelation of the Qur’ân
\What is said to have been the first revelation received by Muhammad? Islâmic authorities generally agree that it was the first five verses of surah 96, entitled Al-‘Alaq, “The Clot [of Blood],” which reads:
“In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Read: In the name of thy Lord who created.
Created man from a clot.
Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous,
Who taught by the pen,
Taught man that which he knew not.
According to the Arabic source The Book of Revelation, Muhammad answered, “I do not know how to read.” Therefore, he had to memorize the revelations so that he could repeat and recite them. The Arabs were skilled in the use of memory, and Muhammad was no exception. How long did it take for him to receive the complete message of the Qur’ân? It is generally believed that the revelations came during a period of some 20 to 23 years, from about 610 C.E. to his death in 632 C.E.
In reality their way of belief and worship were to all purposes a loving and merciful,way of life ..a far cry from the way most seem to percieve it today ,…but but but !!!!!!
isn’t that the way most see the bible ,..it has been misrepresented so badly by so many
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 3, 2007 22:11:09 GMT 12
Thanks for that information misilon. I have never seen any of the Qur’ân
Cheers
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Post by queenie on Jun 4, 2007 6:02:41 GMT 12
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Post by queenie on Jun 4, 2007 6:06:44 GMT 12
oil rules the western world and the middle east has it.. if powerful political powers wanted rightiousness they would free Tibet- but there is no financial gain from that, and it would really piss China off and they REALLY don't want to do that..
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 4, 2007 11:35:15 GMT 12
oil rules the western world and the middle east has it.. if powerful political powers wanted rightiousness they would free Tibet- but there is no financial gain from that, and it would really piss China off and they REALLY don't want to do that.. Well Yes Yollie. That's how I see it too. |
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 4, 2007 11:49:31 GMT 12
Thanks for that link Queenie but I did and do believe what you say. I just said that they fully believe in Islam and show it. I just respect it even though I prefer the western world's religious views. If we were as staunch as the Muslims, I would be praying to someone or something I don't believe in right now wouldn't I? A God. So I say, Thank god we are not as staunch.  Cheers |
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Post by misilon on Jun 5, 2007 20:53:06 GMT 12
hi all just come in quickly to borrow a couple of my thoughts in here,..having a great time in TM in a religious thread,...hope you are all welll,,...ciao for now
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 5, 2007 23:30:39 GMT 12
Hi misilon. I just had a look in that thread in TM and all you have done all night is quote from the bible. I realise that this may be fun for a religious person but I also do notice from our talks in here that you do struggle with discussing things not directly related to one of your quotes in the bible. Like what I saw last week about a Pharoah being the first to introduce the idea of one god and not the Jews who are supposedly his chosen people.
It is one thing to quote from the bible but it is another to put some thought in to things that are related to Christianity but not directly quoted from the bible.
I also struggle myself with some of the quotes you post. They are not written in layman's terms are they?
I am interested in taking some of your quotes aside and having you explain them better to me if that would be alright with you misilon.
Cheers
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Post by misilon on Jun 5, 2007 23:36:32 GMT 12
terau what I have difficulty with is understanding your requests,..
unless theyre biblically related then its not my domain,...
it is a christians obligation to quote the scritures in relation to points they are making or in answer to a question asked ,..therefore what did you see in those scriptures that you thought were not appropriate accordingto the theme of =some of the topics that were being considered
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 5, 2007 23:39:26 GMT 12
That is why I want to discuss your quotes misilon. Then it is in your domain.
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Post by misilon on Jun 5, 2007 23:41:02 GMT 12
also it does not help that you are extremely limited in your understanding of things biblical ,..are you sure it is me you are looking for answers from ,..
thats why I left you to people like tormore who maybe of more help to you in the field of your enquiries ,..
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