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Post by terauparaha on Jun 5, 2007 23:42:13 GMT 12
I know that you JWs say that homosexuals cannot go to your paradise no matter how much good they may do throughout their lives for others. I could never accept any god based on this sort of thing.
Why would he cast aside a good person because they are homosexual?
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 6, 2007 0:20:04 GMT 12
also it does not help that you are extremely limited in your understanding of things biblical ,..are you sure it is me you are looking for answers from ,.. thats why I left you to people like tormore who maybe of more help to you in the field of your enquiries ,.. Actually, You may well be right. Tormore makes much more sense to me than the riddles you quote from the bible. Not that he has said much that I have seen but just naming the person in this thread whom he knows as the first or one of the first to say that there is one god was very interesting since that was what I was talking about the whole time. You just couldn't get your head round it because it isn't in the bible. Of course we all take on board as what we believe is true when we hear something that goes along the lines that suit our own ideals. I saw on the sky history channel that the first person to introduce the idea of one god and not multiple gods was one of the earliest Pharoahs and that the slaves who were to become Jews accepted it and actually went for it as their religion. The one god. I find this understandable as they had little to live for or to cling to, being slaves. I see the bible as being of three things. A pretty good account of history of many things that happened in Area of the Middle East. Most of the morals preached in the bible are commonsense. And so much of it is, to be honest, Fiction. That's how I see it. |
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Post by misilon on Jun 6, 2007 0:23:42 GMT 12
as a thought the bible sums up a congregation that had so many in it that were displaying characteristics of the world disagreeable to the spirit of true Christianity,.. it sums it up like so:
9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.
those scripts show that it is possible for them to change
its up to you terau there is no way you can escape the bibles take on it no matter what ,..
how ever it may be too far beyond your understanding or perhaps its just not for you ,..is all,..each to his own
and yes tormore will be more to your catering purposes ,..,..all the best
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 6, 2007 0:27:18 GMT 12
Thanks for those thoughts of homosexuality misilon. The JW fella who visits me says that it is a big NO NO and that no matter how much a homosexual may do for humanity, they cannot go to your paradise.
On the experimental stuff, I certainly hope that my boys don't try it. Ewwww. LOL Yes that is what I think of it myself but I do respect their rights. I have no more rights in life than anyone else. The religious have staunch rules on this.
You say that you have friends who are Gay misilon. Can they go to your paradise?
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 6, 2007 0:30:25 GMT 12
however the bible sums up a congregation that had so many in it that were displaying characteristics of the world disagreeable to the spirit of true Christianity,..and it sums it up like so: 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. those scripts show that it is possible for them to change well its up to you terau there is no way you can escape the bibles take on it no matter what ,..how ever it may be too far beyond your understang or perhaps its just not for you ,..is all,..each to his own ,,,and yes tormore will be more to your catering purposes ,.. All the above was written by men misilon. I see no proof that there is a god. Only people preaching that there is one. I see all the above as ways to control people and YES much of it is based on good morals and commonsense. That is how I would like all people to live but they don't. |
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Post by misilon on Jun 6, 2007 0:35:43 GMT 12
however the bible sums up a congregation that had so many in it that were displaying characteristics of the world disagreeable to the spirit of true Christianity,..and it sums it up like so: 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. those scripts show that it is possible for them to change well its up to you terau there is no way you can escape the bibles take on it no matter what ,..how ever it may be too far beyond your understang or perhaps its just not for you ,..is all,..each to his own ,,,and yes tormore will be more to your catering purposes ,.. I see all the above as ways to control people and YES much of it is based on good morals and commonsense. That is how I would like all people to live but they don't. terau it may have escaped ur notice that I am as much an imperfect human being as anyone else I err every day ,.. cant help it we are all imperfect we all fall short of the mark of perfection fact of life so I do stupid things as well,... tho not I hope out of the reach of forgiveness by god huh!! |
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 6, 2007 0:39:02 GMT 12
if they are willing to make the changes of corse they can terau ,..anyone can but they have to conform god is conditional not unconditional,.. So they have to change. I don't agree with that. Most homosexuals must surely be doing what they feel compelled to do. Scientists say it's in the hormones and I agree with that. I breed racehorses and the vet uses hormones to bring a mare into season to breed and you can give a mare male hormones and even male horses more male hormones to make them stronger and more aggressive. Why can a homosexual not have too little hormones and a lesbian too many? |
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Post by misilon on Jun 6, 2007 0:43:33 GMT 12
The bible was written by men 40 of them actually,..however there is just too much conclusive evidence of the accuracy of fulfilment of prophesy from it to attribute what is written in there to man,... it had to be inspired by someone all knowing and intelligent,....and it was by God
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 6, 2007 0:49:14 GMT 12
I'm keeping you up misilon. We'll talk about it tomorrow, OK?
Catch you tomorrow sometime.
Cheers
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 6, 2007 0:51:35 GMT 12
So they have to change. I don't agree with that. Most homosexuals must surely be doing what they feel compelled to do. Scientists say it's in the hormones and I agree with that. I breed racehorses and the vet uses hormones to bring a mare into season to breed and you can give a mare male hormones and even male horses more male hormones to make them stronger and more aggressive. Why can a homosexual not have too little hormones and a lesbian too many? once again Im just the messenger,..but a messenger with faith that if god says they can change thier habits they can they will always be who they are,.. its the practices that need to be done away with,,and some have,.... they attend the kingdom halls of JWs world wide I was actually surprised when I asked the JW guy who comes here how many members there were in South Canterbury when he said 600. That is not many really for the area. |
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Post by misilon on Jun 6, 2007 0:55:54 GMT 12
14,000 of us in nz
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Post by misilon on Jun 6, 2007 0:56:55 GMT 12
gnite terau ,..apopo
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Post by sparrow on Jun 6, 2007 1:20:57 GMT 12
*Ahem*
Some posts go close here. Very close.
Overall - it's a genuinely good discussion, but please keep other people's personal information out of it.
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Post by misilon on Jun 6, 2007 9:11:41 GMT 12
hello sparrow,... Im trying to ascertain what the meaning of your post is refering to,.. nothing in last nights discussion had anything personal to disclose that would have been personally defamatory,.. other than that a name was mentioned for where Terau may be better to have his queries answered rather than by me,. it was done with all due respect to the person mentioned,.. who just happens to be a selfconfessed "bit of a walking almanac" on matters varied,.,..Thank you ,.. ;D   |
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 6, 2007 19:40:04 GMT 12
Same here. Haven't a clue what you mean Sparrow.
Please elaborate so we know what the rules are.
Misilon. You and I had no problems last night did we?
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Post by misilon on Jun 6, 2007 20:16:05 GMT 12
No terau she is right to a degree, cos it could have looked like,... by mentioning Mr Ts name he was??? ,...ya know ,...hehe!!,.........far from it,......no he is not,....awwwww gee wizz,. ummm, can I come over and just seee for myself Mr T?
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 6, 2007 20:24:45 GMT 12
Sorry misilon. I'm not with you there.
All I can think of is that I mentioned your daughter misilon and her illness but I knew that you discuss it with people on the boards and you know that I would never be malicious about her and her situation.
What was said about Tormore? I'm sure bugger all that could be taken as threatening or vicious in any way I won't be bothered going back to check because I know that things didn't get negative or nasty between us or about anyone else. Well other than God that is and then I wasn't nasty about God either other than say that I don't think he exists. Maybe that is against the rules. Dunno. LOL
Buggered if I know
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Post by sparrow on Jun 6, 2007 22:43:17 GMT 12
Eeeek! I apologise if I have misread this thread and my post came across a bit over-bearing. I withdraw my earlier comments. I'd prefer to take a hands-off approach to this moderating lark. Carry on and as you were! Ignore me.
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 9, 2007 0:06:53 GMT 12
As you know misilon, I can't post in TM but I came across this thread and this post of yours just now. All the best for your daughter misilon. Looks like she is in remission if you don't mind my asking?
18. I have a daughter as young as you with cancer
she had a mastectomy,..all the chemo and radiation rounds have been over and done with, her hair has grownback, so we wait and watch,..every moment is precious, her children know, they are wonderful,.so young so understanding and accepting and willing to do thier bit,..
misilon (106 ) 8:51 pm, 7 Jun
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Post by Lux on Jun 9, 2007 12:03:04 GMT 12
Best wishes to her, Misi and to all your family.  |
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Post by sparrow on Jun 9, 2007 12:05:17 GMT 12
Oh Misi. My heart goes out to you and your daughter.
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 9, 2007 18:03:25 GMT 12
Purple Bunny was definitely a strange place misilon and proves that Humans do need rules doesn't it? There were no limits or rules there and everyone dropped their standards. All of us.
Good luck to your Daughter
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 9, 2007 18:30:09 GMT 12
What about your picture too misilon? I have seen one that you used as an avatar somewhere and it was just Fine.
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 9, 2007 18:31:18 GMT 12
Oh and tell Lux that we expect her picture in there soon too. She'll have to succumb to the pressure sooner or later.
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Post by terauparaha on Jun 10, 2007 21:34:09 GMT 12
Myself. I wouldn't give anyone who would call the Australian Aboriginal the missing link, the time of day.
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