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Post by queenie on Jun 29, 2007 8:59:10 GMT 12
The bible was written by men 40 of them actually,..however there is just too much conclusive evidence of the accuracy of fulfilment of prophesy from it to attribute what is written in there to man,... it had to be inspired by someone all knowing and intelligent,....and it was by God can you tell me what this conclusive evidence is? |
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Post by misilon on Jun 30, 2007 22:22:51 GMT 12
sorry been slack to get back to you queenie,....promise to soooooooon,... so much to do and so much to say,..hopefully tomorrow can give you some time ok? ciao fer now
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Post by misilon on Jul 2, 2007 21:07:20 GMT 12
What indicates we are living in the last days ,..the bible describes events and conditions that mark this significant “time period”,….“The sign” is a composite one made up of many evidences and its fullfilment requires that all aspects of the sign be clearly in evidence during one generation and these are recorded at; Matt chapters 24 and 25,..Mark 13,…and Luke 21,..there are further details at. @nd Timothy 3 v 1 to 5,..2 Peter 3 v 3 to 4,..and Revelation 6 v 1 to 8,… (1) Nation will rise against nation (Matt 24 v 7) war has always been around on earth for thousands of years ,,But in 1914 the first world war was fought ,..for the first time all the major powers were at war ,.Entire nations in cluding civilian populations mobilized to support the war effort, it was foretold in Revelation 6 v 4 peace was taken away from the earth WW2 was fought from 1939 to 1945,..up until 1982 there had been 270 wars fought since 1945 how many more since then?  the rest is history (2) There will be food shortages in one place after another,.(.Mathew 24 v 7) …Global evidence is self explanatory ,... (3) Great earthquakes .,Luke 21 v 11) (4) In one place after another Pestilences (Luke 21 v 11) (5) Increased lawlessnes accompanied by a cooling off of love on the part of the greater number (Matt 24 v 11 & 12) the one thing that hits you in the eye when you look at crime on the world scale is a pervasive and persistant increase everywhere,…… (6) Men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth (Luke 21v 25, 26 ,….the single most emotion which dominates our lives is fear and never more than as at the present , and there are many factors , Violent crime,..Unemployment,..economic instability,..Debt,..Pollution,..Lack of strong family ties,..and the overwhelming feeling that nuclear annihilation is ever present,…etc,… (7) Christs true followers to be objects of hatred by all nations on account of his name,,(Matt 24 v 9) needs no splaining etc,… (8) The good news of gods kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness ,..(Matt 24v 14 ) the message has to be told that gods kingdom is in the hands of Jesus Christ who is already ruling in the heavens ,.. and that soon it will put an end to the entire wicked system of things,..that under its rule righteously inclined mankind will be brought to perfection and earth will then gradually become the paradise that was intended by god in the beginning with adam and eve who failed miserably in the simple task of Obedience Luke 21 v 31, 32, says when u see these things occurring,.. Know that the kingdom of god is near (gods government ) etc ,……` |
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Post by misilon on Jul 2, 2007 21:15:16 GMT 12
Gods Kingdom according to the bible is in actual fact Gods government
which he has established already in the heavens ,..
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Post by misilon on Jul 3, 2007 9:31:33 GMT 12
it is by means of that government he will bring about better conditions to the world,....
it has always been his purpose to do this ,...
However he received a challenge to his Sovereignty,...
that mankind was only doing his purpose because of selfishness on thier part,...
and the challenge is: that they are able to carry on without him
he agreed to step aside for a limited period of time to see if that was the case,
He allowed humankind to do things thier way
he did leave a how to do it manuel "The Bible" for those that would be spiritually inclined to want to know,...The Holy Spirit,..and his son Jesus Christ.
the limited period of time is almost over ,..
and his challenger so far has been proved a liar and a failure,...
humankind has proved they are incapable of governing themselves without the principles outlined for them by god
the earth is in a mess
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Post by hps on Jul 6, 2007 13:11:33 GMT 12
I agree with your last sentence diana, unfortunately humankind is pass the point of no return no matter how hard and long you yell it, not many are listening, still trying really hard to run ourselves into oblivion.
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Post by maire on Jul 6, 2007 20:46:24 GMT 12
If we look back in time, (100s of years ago) mans behaviour was a lot worse than it is now. Lives were cheap, no morals to speak of and violence was rife. I have no idea why or how it changed, but it did and for some reason, Queen Victoria comes to mind. Maybe someone who is conversant with the history of those times, has the answer to how the changes came about. I've often wondered if whatever happened then, could work in these times. Or are we too questioning and or educated?
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Post by maire on Jul 6, 2007 20:53:28 GMT 12
And Misi .. I do hope your girl is doing well and continues to do so  |
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Post by Lux on Jul 6, 2007 21:41:28 GMT 12
I don't think human nature has changed all that much Maire I think we've just found faster ways to kill off our environment.
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Post by misilon on Jul 7, 2007 10:51:04 GMT 12
If we look back in time, (100s of years ago) mans behaviour was a lot worse than it is now. Lives were cheap, no morals to speak of and violence was rife. I have no idea why or how it changed, but it did and for some reason, Queen Victoria comes to mind. Maybe someone who is conversant with the history of those times, has the answer to how the changes came about. I've often wondered if whatever happened then, could work in these times. Or are we too questioning and or educated? Hi maire ,…I read you and I was staggered at what you had to say hello!!! ,…where on earth have you been? Just for starters take a look at sports tell me please you are not ignorant to whats happening there ,… just one incident is one sports venue where thousands, children included were, a “cloud of steel tipped darts rained down on the crowd at a command there are masses of this stuff happening today , you can take any aspect of a sport , and its not just the fans,… the hooligans,. it’s the sport and its bosses as well ….Tv plays it part,… as we all know it focusses and lingers on the violent acts and adds to the viciousness and magnifies it ,…. could fill volumes with the stuff Never mind the shoot ups that happened and that it is just a matter of time here in nz *we wait*,…. A u.s. tv newscast reported that “three million secondary school children are victims of crimes ranging from theft to rape and murder every month.”,… Violent video games that have quite a detrimental effect on our kids,… Abortions ,..Terrorism,.. more innocents dying in wars than the combatants,..Did the twin towers mean nothing to you ,.Perverts ,..Road Rage There is animalistic aggresiveness out there on a world scale ,..our news is filled with it ,..and we have all become numbed to the effect of it because its in our faces everyday,…even the letter “P“ is horrifying and getting worse ,. Sure there was violence b4,…but today its different it is contributing to a world uneasiness .the manifestation of a terminally ill society. Please don’t treat it like an illusion ,..it is only too real ,.these are some 80‘s data.“We’re murdering people 300 per cent more often per capita than our parents’ generation, . . . raping 500 per cent more often, and assaulting 600 per cent more often.,…Hmmm,.!!,..thats thirty yrs ago ,..today it is worse ,... |
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Post by misilon on Jul 7, 2007 11:21:34 GMT 12
And Misi .. I do hope your girl is doing well and continues to do so Thank you maire so far so good *we wait*,....shes back at work and we have hight expectations always ,... |
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Post by maire on Jul 7, 2007 16:04:55 GMT 12
I know all that Diana (what you say above) and yes it's a violent world today. But 200, 300, 400 & more years ago, it was worse. Can you imagine a family outing to watch a person being hung, then drawn & quartered? Well that is what families had for entertainment. Young children cheering at the spectacle along with their parents  Kings riddled with syphillus[sp] were openly homosexual, having young boys as playmates. Children working in appalling conditions. Millions of starving, homeless disease ridden people around the world. Fathers "selling" off their daughters as soon as they started menstruating ... some as young as ten years old. If they bled, they could breed!! With a bit of research I could come up with many other, what I consider violent aspects of life in those unenlightened times. Actually another one does come to mind, which should have been top of my list and that is the diabolical behaviour of the church and it's dealings with "supposed" witches. Many thousands of innocent women and men murdered in barbaric violent ways that would never be tolerated by todays society. Oh and the crusades, they were another violent part of our history ... cannibalism included (by the Crusaders)!! |
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Post by misilon on Jul 7, 2007 22:41:04 GMT 12
worse? true, maybe maire,...in its confined spaces and in the name of religion it was indeed horrific back then,.. and that was the way of life for most of them we have learned today.
However I think you will find in terms of its effect on the world,...
WW1 and WW2 ushered in very much the same kind of violence as what you speak of,.... if not worse, because it happened in the age of enlightenment and the whole world was involved for the first time ever,... as many men as fell in WW1 over 10 million there were as many civillians thst died too,...
then WW2 was ushered in more horrors 50 million or more ,... the point is tho,..its the way so many million fell,...,..
many were used as live victims and operated on in the name of science, conscious, aware, but helpless, for one etc,...
I dont think those people that suffered are going to agree it was worse than back when
.the same with those that had to choose whether to jump out of the windows of the building or burn in the twin towers,..it wasnt thier fault ,..
or those countless men that were made to stand in the snow and cruel winds and had cold water poured on them till they froze to death all because they would not denounce thier god ,..
they wont believe those historical people suffered worse,.....No I dont think so,....
there are countless of these experiences and they are still happening all over the world today senselessly
we dont have kings anymore
but we do have political rulers at whos hands its all happening and one of the gods of this system " science" who made the flamethrower and the nuclear bombs for the purpose of killing humans,..woman and children and babies,...sorry to go on ,... but violence is violence and none of it is good or any worse than the next surely,...
However the point really,.... considering it all, in this thread,...as pointed out above,. violence is only one part of a composite sign,.. made up of many evidences,.. and its fullfilment requires that all aspects of the sign be clearly in evidence during "ONE GENERATION",..Violence yeah big time ,..but there are other things just as bad ,...and we're right on par,...
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Post by maire on Jul 8, 2007 9:05:10 GMT 12
I do agree about the wars etc Diana, but my main object in my first post, was to see if anyone knew how, when & why the "civilised" world changed so dramatically & became so civilised. As I said earlier, Queen Victorias name comes to mind, if I remember correctly, she was very moralistic. But I wanted to know what the catalyst was, if any, that brought about such changes. I've just realised I've gone way off topic with this, sorry, it's nothing to do with JWs. I'll bow out now  |
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Post by misilon on Jul 8, 2007 10:06:58 GMT 12
yeah that was stink eh? Gawwwwd!! *giggles*,..,..but let me know what you come up with please when you do,......
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Post by Lux on Jul 8, 2007 13:27:38 GMT 12
Civilised world? In what way?
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the rest is history
