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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 11:48:39 GMT 12
just an out line of some things I believe
Bible: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.
God: Jehovah is the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his purposes toward mankind
Jesus Christ: We believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God’s creations; that he had a prehuman existence
God’s Kingdom: God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind; that it is a real government; that it will soon destroy the present wicked system of things,
Heavenly life: that the 144,000 spirit-anointed Christians will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom, ruling as kings with him. They do not believe that heaven is the reward for everyone who is “good.”
The earth: that God’s original purpose for the earth will be fulfilled; that the earth will be completely populated by those adherering to bible principles, and that these will be able to enjoy eternal life in human perfection; that even the dead will be raised to an opportunity to share in these blessings.
Death: that the dead are conscious of absolutely nothing; that they are experiencing neither pain nor pleasure in some spirit realm; that they do not exist except in God’s memory, so hope for their future life lies in a resurrection from the dead.
Last days: that we are living now, in the last days of this wicked system of things; .
Apply Bible counsel: that it is important to apply the counsel of God’s Word in everyday life now—at home, in school, in business, in their congregation.
feel free to express yourself and to ask me any questions,.Kia Ora kia kotou katoa,..
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Post by terauparaha on May 29, 2007 17:29:35 GMT 12
Hi misilon
I have lots of questions regarding what you say above. We'll just take one at a time eh?
People have been on the Earth for so long. Why produce his son only two thousand years ago? And why even after the emergence of Jesus, is the world no better off?
Cheers
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 18:57:30 GMT 12
there is no easy quik answers eh! terau ,..but I will do the best I can to condense what I am trying to relate to you ok?
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 19:04:21 GMT 12
At Genesis 3 verse 15 the first prophecy was uttered ,..it reads:
“And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed, and he will bruise you in the head and he will bruise you in the heel”
Involved in this prophecy is Jesus Christ,.Satan the Devil,..and Gods Woman as well as who is known as the 144,000 and the whole of humankind in future days ahead ,..
This prophesy became necessary because of adam and eves deflection and so Gods purpose went into action
With this purpose for the future it began with
the history of the human line of descent of the “seed” Jesus Christ.
and that the purposed “seed” Jesus would have a temporary existence on earth among humankind
the question is now,...since the “seed” would be born into the human race,
through which line of descent from Adam and Eve would the “seed” come?
How this has been accomplished thru the ages is outlined in the historical pages of the bible
the 4000 yrs down to Jesus Christ is a tracing out of his lineage the whole of the Old testament is full of the history of it
and you will find the result in the book of Mathew chapter 1,.and luke chapter 4
It was necessary for god to do this why?
By our getting a knowledge of this Bible history, we will be able to identify who this Serpent-bruising “seed” is, and we will not leave ourselves open to being deceived and misled by a pretender, a false seed.
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 19:09:16 GMT 12
he had to be human and perfect as an equivalent of what adam was, who lost it all, in order to win back saving grace, for the whole of mankind in gods sight
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Post by terauparaha on May 29, 2007 19:20:03 GMT 12
With due respect misilon. That is very very confusing.
To try and keep it more simple so that I can understand, just what is your take on my question? Why do you think that the emergence of Jesus Christ has not been the answer? There is a huge percentage of the world population who worship him even though in differing ways things are no better in my opinion had he never appeared on Earth.
It's like, if you believe in him, you are guaranteed to go to heaven and that is the only good from it all.
What about the world while we're all alive? Just saying that world is stuffed and it's going to end soon is a cop out to me, if you know what I mean misilon.
cheers
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Post by terauparaha on May 29, 2007 19:22:36 GMT 12
he had to be human and perfect as an equivalent of what adam was, who lost it all, in order to win back saving grace, for the whole of mankind in gods sight Sorry misilon but that just has not happened. Jesus has not saved us all. You guys admit it by saying that the world is going to end. |
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 19:24:15 GMT 12
what I was trying to say is ,..it is important for us to know jesus christs whakapapa,.. so god made it his business to have it written down thru the ages right down to his mother mary and his father (as the opinion is ) Joseph.
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Post by terauparaha on May 29, 2007 19:35:14 GMT 12
That is good misilon but I don't get why he hasn't saved the world and why it still has to end. Have God and Jesus failed all of humanity? Have the believers failed God and Jesus?
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 20:21:02 GMT 12
sorry for being so long been busy with mundane family stuff tea time blah blah and all that jazz
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Post by terauparaha on May 29, 2007 20:33:12 GMT 12
That's OK misilon. My wife was busy with all that too. Me? I've been busy on the comp. Life's a bitch sometimes.  |
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Post by crheas on May 29, 2007 20:56:46 GMT 12
Just a thought, I don't think God has failed. And I also don't think that Jesus has failed. Jesus died for us - now its up to us to do what is right. It is not the responsibility of God or Jesus to save us any longer. Its on us. And people should not be grouped together when it comes to things like this. Everyone is responsible for their own life, their own decisions.
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 21:29:47 GMT 12
Hello crheas,.I think what terau was wondering is,.. when Jesus came along and did the deed of dying,.. things in the world was supposed to be getting better not worse,,..
what people dont realise is that he foretold all the bad conditions that are happening now,...and,.. it all has to do with being able to familiarise urself with them ,..so that one is able to recognize how close we are to the end,...
meantime the main thing is to learn from a study of the bible how you can aquire salvation,...
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 21:34:26 GMT 12
and the first thing you need to do is figure who God is,..who Jesus is,..and how they will bring about the salvation to all of mankind ,..
it is to be remembered that there is only one faith one god ,.one truth,.....and the road to salvation is very narrow and not ecveryone who profesess to be christian will get salvation ,..
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 21:38:54 GMT 12
that makes it very interesting,..
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Post by misilon on May 29, 2007 21:40:01 GMT 12
meantime hasta maniana darlings and I shall se ya al apopo (2moro) gnite
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Post by terauparaha on May 29, 2007 21:42:10 GMT 12
Just a thought, I don't think God has failed. And I also don't think that Jesus has failed. Jesus died for us - now its up to us to do what is right. It is not the responsibility of God or Jesus to save us any longer. Its on us. And people should not be grouped together when it comes to things like this. Everyone is responsible for their own life, their own decisions. Well I don't commit crime. I help out in my community and individuals. I have never killed or committed adultery. I don't even tell lies. I am bringing up my kids to do the same even though that doesn't guarentee anything in their future. Will I go to heaven in the eyes of the Christians? No, because I am not one. There are millions of Christians who are entitiled to go to heaven according to Christian teachings because they simply repent for their bad doings, no matter what they have done. That is not right Did Jesus die for me? That can't be right because I am not entitled to go to heaven for not believing in god, So he did not die for me did he? There are too many conveniences with being Christian. Sorry but these are my opinions. |
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Post by terauparaha on May 29, 2007 21:47:12 GMT 12
and the first thing you need to do is figure who God is,..who Jesus is,..and how they will bring about the salvation to all of mankind ,.. it is to be remembered that there is only one faith one god ,.one truth,.....and the road to salvation is very narrow and not ecveryone who profesess to be christian will get salvation ,.. But misilon. There are other Christian faiths other than yours and they say that you guys are the ones missing out as well as others. Who to believe eh? Good night misilon. Talk tomorrow. |
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Post by misilon on May 30, 2007 10:05:48 GMT 12
and the first thing you need to do is figure who God is,..who Jesus is,..and how they will bring about the salvation to all of mankind ,.. it is to be remembered that there is only one faith one god ,.one truth,.....and the road to salvation is very narrow and not ecveryone who profesess to be christian will get salvation ,.. But misilon. There are other Christian faiths other than yours and they say that you guys are the ones missing out as well as others. Who to believe eh? . you are absolutely right terau,.. but the choice is yours and how can you make a choice if you dont read the bible ,... how can you make a choice if you dont know anything about Jehovah and Jesus,..its entirely up to you ,... |
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Post by Apache on May 30, 2007 16:16:57 GMT 12
I'm sure I'm one of jehovahs/gods little moonbeams too, it's just that we aren't on speaking terms and don't acknowledge each others existence. We'll probably sort it out one day.
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Post by crheas on May 30, 2007 16:27:26 GMT 12
lmfao. nice
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Post by terauparaha on May 30, 2007 22:27:59 GMT 12
But misilon. There are other Christian faiths other than yours and they say that you guys are the ones missing out as well as others. Who to believe eh? . you are absolutely right terau,.. but the choice is yours and how can you make a choice if you dont read the bible ,... how can you make a choice if you dont know anything about Jehovah and Jesus,..its entirely up to you ,... But the bible must be really confusing misilon. Why so many different Christian religions from one book? And none of them seem to respect the others either. I don't know everything that is in the bible because I have not read it but I do have one of your people visit me twice a month and he reads different bits and pieces from it. Some of it, I think "yeah that's common sense" and some of it, I think "What???" |
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Post by misilon on May 31, 2007 13:54:52 GMT 12
what a good person you are terau,...only people with a good heart disposition will allow a Jw to talk to them ,.. it is confusing to read the bible ,...Its often described as a two edged sword,...because whatever is in the bible is alive,. and its able to discern what is in the heart just read what u can of it terau ,..then let it do its own work,..it wont happen overnight but it will happen,..   |
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Post by misilon on May 31, 2007 15:30:50 GMT 12
the first thing you need to know is no matter how hard you work in good deeds,. one does not go to heaven,.
and no matter how bad you are,. one does not go to a burning fiery furnace of a place called hell,.
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Post by misilon on May 31, 2007 15:31:33 GMT 12
I'm sure I'm one of jehovahs/gods little moonbeams too, it's just that we aren't on speaking terms and don't acknowledge each others existence. We'll probably sort it out one day. Luuurve it,.. |
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